Well, if we can't - sorry.

But if we can...

What tires do you recommend in either 195/50/15, 205/50/15, or 205/45/16 for mostly street driving with occasional AutoX and road racing (like 1-2 times a year).

I'm thinking ES100's, Dunlop FM901, Azenis, but I'm open to others.

Thanks in advance!

 

es-100 or kumho mx will work well for daily (wet and dry) and be ok for track and autocross usage.

 

azenis no question.

and buy a set of 13" wheels and put whatever all season or winter tires.

having more than one set of wheels is the only way to mazimize tire enjoyment, and overall tire life.

 

i think if hes doing 2 DE's a year and occasional autocross, he doesnt need azenis yet. with es-100, you can leave them on all the time. not like you couldnt with azenis, but your lower tread depth wet traction will be better with the es-100. they will probably wear longer as well.
-spenc

 

about how much longer would you say es's last longer than azenis.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spanish &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">about how much longer would you say es's last longer than azenis.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not much, probably given the tall, tiny tread blocks, given the use they would see. Get some junk OEM wheels and all seasons, swap the azenis in for autox/track events - if doing 6-8 autox and 2 track events per year the azenis would last 2+ yrs, I think.

 

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I'm thinking ES100's, Dunlop FM901, Azenis, but I'm open to others</TD></TR></TABLE>

you wouldn't want to use any of those for road racing... you'd be getting your *** handed to you by the guys on r-tires. for autox and daily driving, azenis.

 

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you wouldn't want to use any of those for road racing... you'd be getting your *** handed to you by the guys on r-tires. for autox and daily driving, azenis.</TD></TR></TABLE>

careful mike, we've ventured out of RR/AX forum where ignorance is bred from reading the import magazines that say anything on a closed course with helmets and where bigass spoilers are actually worth a damn and driving 10/10ths is all about left foot braking is considered "road racing", instead of just a "driving event" or track day.

but any enthusiast who does a track day more than once soon realizes they need more than one set of wheels. ppl who say theyre looking for the "best tires" for "mostly street driving with occasional AutoX and road racing" are just fooling themselves.

 

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careful mike, we've ventured out of RR/AX forum where ignorance is bred from reading the import magazines that say anything on a closed course with helmets and where bigass spoilers are actually worth a damn and driving 10/10ths is all about left foot braking is considered "road racing", instead of just a "driving event" or track day.

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Please get off your high horse. I'm sorry that I didn't clearly state the difference between a HPDE and sanctioned road racing for you, just so you know that I'm allowed to ask the question. I consider HPDE's to be a type of road racing, and I don't have a big wing or read that from a ricer mag.

 

just listen to my advice kid. get azenis and an extra set of 13 or 14" wheels and put some all seasons for your minnesota winters, or when you know youre going to be tooling around the streets without much need for grip.

i actually recommend yokohama avid h4's. i still have a lot of fun with them on the street as long you keep the tire pressures up, and when i bought them, it was like $120 for a whole set, shipped. lots of tread depth for water and small tread blocks for snow, good mileage too.

do a couple "track days" and youll see...

and "road racing" is RACING.

 

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thats why i said es-100 instead of azenis. wont use them to their total potential.

 

fine, if he must insist on mediocrity, then get he damn ES100. theyre nothing like the AVS intermediates they were supposed to replace from what i hear. i loved my intermediates, until i did a track day

 

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you didn't like them on the track? i've heard nothing but praise for them. kinda wish i had a chance to try em.

seriously though, why get es100 when you can get azenis?

 

hey guys which azenis are you guys talking about and what are the differences between the azenis and the es100's...

 

Never had more fun then when I started using my Azenis on the road almost all the time. I can't even find a limit on these tires. Exit ramps at 60+ is super fun!

 

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HPDE's aren't a competion, road racing is that is a big difference.


I'd go with azenis. I have two sets of wheels one for going to and from events and one for the events. its really worth it

 

i did use intermediates on the track. they squeeled like a pig tho. maybe it was because i had already used them as my autox tire and daily driver by that time, they couldnt take any more heat. i did end up having to use them during competition school after my used set of R tires crapped out on me before the last race. and i did get handily spanked by even other novices that day that were on R's. basically they were my street tires i drove my car in with, but i had to finish the school.

i thought they were great street tires, until i tried azenis. and for the price, there was no question. this is for 14" size too, which not many tires come in 14s.

honestly, the only drawback from azenis is the road noise. theyre incredibly loud. compared to the dunlop sport a2 that are on my current beater (not a bad tire btw, if you insist on all season mediocrity), they make it seem like all my wheel bearings are bad.

btw, i dont want to hear about azenis not being good in the rain. theyre GREAT in the rain. just dont drive like theyre aquatreads or like its not fricking raining outside, meaning slow the heck down like a normal person when its wet outside, and theyre fine.

 

number among the guys saying get 2 sets of wheels.

as far as tires that might pull double duty well, there are tires that can, but you'll be burning through them in 10,000-15,000 miles (20,000 MAX). Azenis are fine on the street. replacing azenis every year or less is what'll get you.

 

dont mean to jack the thread....but what tire would you guys recommend for really wet pavement...pretty much which tire has the best grip in very wet conditions...o yea...something that wont burn a whole in my pocket like potenza s03s...

 

tirerack has better review of rain tires than i think anyone here could give to you.

 

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the BFG TA KDW's are really amazing in the rain, and good in the dry too, but they're expensive.

i really liked my pirelli pzero neros in the rain, they were decent in dry conditions, but the sidewall's a tad bit softer than i would like.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">fine, if he must insist on mediocrity, then get he damn ES100. theyre nothing like the AVS intermediates they were supposed to replace from what i hear. i loved my intermediates, until i did a track day </TD></TR></TABLE>

I loved those tires on my old VW. It was nice to be able to drive to an event and not have to change tires, and actually have some performance in them.

That being said, now I have 3 sets of tires. ES 100s for DD, Azenis for DE / AX, and snows for silly season. RJ was pretty close to the longevity of the Azenis. I used them for DD and about 8 AXs last year, and about 15 events and a DE this year. I may be able to squeak a few more events out of them, but they're practically slicks. They were great last season for DD, but I did drive them on the street this year at about 50% tread, and it was not pleasant. Hydroplaned horribly, and about as loud as a tractor trailer tire.

I think the ES is a good street tire, not up to par with the intermidiates, but great for the cost compared to what else is out there. I used them for the first event this year while my Azenis were in storage, and they weren't too bad. Sidwalls were pretty spongy and ultimate grip wasn't as high as the Azenis, but for an occasional day out, I'd highly recomend them. They're quiet, have good wet traction, and don't totally suck on the track; and I think 99% of this guys time will be spent on the highway, so the ES is a good compromise. I would never run Azenis for a DD again.

 

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I consider HPDE's to be a type of road racing </TD></TR></TABLE>

At every HPDE drivers meeting they emphasize that those events are high performance driving events NOT RACING. People are out there to practice and improving their driving, not to out brake someone in the corners.

It might seem like splitting hairs but trust me, when it comes to car insurance you better make sure you have your terms correct. Car insurance is more readily going to cover incidents in a driving event but as soon as you say racing all bets are off.

Back on topic: Azenis are the best at autocrossing but not good in the rain if you have anything less then full tread. Kumho 712 (former autocross street tire of choice before the reign of the Azeni) isn't as good at autocrossing but makes a much better all around street tire.

 

Kinda hard to have one set of tires for all situations. I found real quick that using regular tires in this case all season toyos, autox will rip them apart. Ate them up in 4 weeks.

Larger blocks on the tire hold up better. In the weather we are having now in NY you wouldn't want to use those at all. Slide right off the road.

Overall it works out to be cheaper and safer to have 2 sets of tires. One for everyday and one for play.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just listen to my advice kid. get azenis and an extra set of 13 or 14" wheels and put some all seasons for your minnesota winters, or when you know youre going to be tooling around the streets without much need for grip.

i actually recommend yokohama avid h4's. i still have a lot of fun with them on the street as long you keep the tire pressures up, and when i bought them, it was like $120 for a whole set, shipped. lots of tread depth for water and small tread blocks for snow, good mileage too.

do a couple "track days" and youll see...

and "road racing" is RACING.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have Yokohama Avid H4's right now on my stock steelies (195/60/14). I have been rolling on them for now, as they are my only wheels.

Let me clarify what I'm looking for. Daily-driven summer tires mainly, with a couple AutoXes and HPDEs this season. I need something good in wet and dry.

...**** it, maybe I should just get the Azenis and call it a day.