Alright well I refuse to moap around about the untimley destruction of my motor, on with the questions.. I have access to at least 2 LS bottom ends and a pleathora or parts to go LS-VTEC, the one thing that scares me the most of this setup, aside from the lack of oil squirters, is the kind of torsional stress the bottom end sustains at 8500rpm+ So, are you guys finding your LSV's to be reliable with no girdle at high rpm? Or is slapping a girdle on a given to rev it out?

Keep in mind I have my entire GSR and internals (well, minus one 'slightly damaged piston' ) so I could fiesably swap over the crank, rods and a set of pistons, but I'd still be without the girdle and squirters. Any ideas about this route? From the looks of it, it's either gonna be this (GSR in B18B), a straight built LS, or a true LS-VTEC.

-to the addiciton

 

what happened to the b18c.?! I just saw u made over 400hp!!!! wtf! wasn't built?

nm!!!!
i just saw the post!!!
that must suck *****.

 

lol love the new name!!!!

 

you should spend your money on valve train its probley more importaint

 

9500 rpms here...no girdle...ran the time below on my first pass at that rpm.

 

8500 here ...no girdle

 

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And it held up till? Still running? What rods?

 

^ runs good. I seen it in person, I think he is using same rods as me...Manley

 

Yes, its about to run again (making a few upgrades )... I broke the stock diff after that pass.
I am considering raising the rev-limit a little. & yes I am using manley rods.
Its actually the first motor I have ever built.

 

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wouldn't this then just be the same thing as a gsr?

 

yes, but I think hes worried that since he wont be able to use a girdle that he wont be able to safely rev it high.

 

id run no girdle. just make sure your crank is balanced properly

 

balance it, rev it to 10k and you still wont have a problem. dont need a girdle, but if its done PROPERLY (very rare) it will only help. It too easy to mess up a girdle install to make it worthwhile.

 

**** a girdle.......i did

 

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unless you use factory ITR/GSR with their respective mains.

but yeah, what geoff said. it's tough to make it effective, and the majority of them aren't....at least not what they SHOULD be. much better to save that money for tuning. usually the cost of properly installing a girdle will be enough for 2-3 hours on the dyno.

 

Why not put the LS crank in the gsr block? That would save alot of time and $.

I had a gsr girdle machined to fit the ls block (properly). I'm glad I had it done...kinda like insurance. But there are easier ways of doing things.

 

Contradictory to everyone else, I would say yes to the girdle......I like peace of mind. If you think about it, it can't hurt and for a couple hundred I think it's well worth it. Do it right the first time.

 

no girdle for me

 

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n u rev to.....

 

he goes to 11,000

 

no girdle here with gsr internals. no problems taking it up to 8500rpms.i actually had a girdle in my possesion when i was doing the build but when i got quotes from machine shops to properly do the switch-over it wasn't worth it. i used the money and spent it on itr valvetrain and omni valves.

 

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thats nuts.....

 

Interesting stuff, I really thought I was gonna get alot of "you NEED a girdle" .. I had no idea so many people were having sucess without em'. So here's the next question, I of course already have my GSR crank and rods balanced, keep the GSR internals or go LS bottom end?

 

ls stroke is the ****...

 

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Yea I figured, and seeing how I hated my dead mid range with the JG + SC61 I'm sure the LS stroke will help, but, there's the idea of a lesser R/S ratio helping out the lack of a main girdle. Ehh.. this is gonna be a fun 2 weeks