I have been wanting to hopefully get the chance to run some races in NASA and also in SCCA. Problem was how to get a H1 spec CRX into SPU without the current requirement in the GCR on "Super Production" that you have to meet GT safety specs for cage, in-car fire suppression, and a fuel cell. Someone (on this board) brought it to my attention that in SEDIV a divisional rule has been adopted that would allow a car that meets NASA series rules to run in SPU if it does not otherwise come within another class in the GCR. Here is what the SEDIV Divisional rule says:

Super Production O & U (SPO & SPU)

January 1997 this class was accepted Division wide as a catch all for closed wheel vehicles from other road racing series and as a place for unique creations to have a venue in which to get track time. Vehicles must not be otherwise classed in the GCR/Category Specifications. The displacement separation for Over O (2500cc and above) and Under U (2499cc and below) [Effective Jan. 2003] and all Turbo or Supercharged vehicles will run in SP O. Series vehicles must conform to configuration safety rules of the series (owners responsibility to show proof). All non series vehicles must at a minimum comply with safety specifications as published in the SCCA GCR and GT / Production Specifications. Some divisions call this class IT"E".

So if any of you H1 guys want to run a SCCA race at least in SEDIV you can do it under SPU. Not sure about the other HC classes. I know (is it Zsolt) runs his H4 in ITS because it falls within the rule parameters of that class.

 

you're welcome

 

You da man. Thanks.

Barry H.

 

Some races, like the 13 hour at VIR, recognize ITE. H1 cars can run there and do well, especially in such a long race.

Lockwood was in the top 4 for most of this year until he had an electrical problem.

That rule is still confusing to me though. Since it says All non series vehicles must at a minimum comply with safety specifications as published in the SCCA GCR and GT / Production Specifications. Doesn't that mean you still need the cell and fire system to run SPU???
I know you can run ITE with IT safety prep, but not all regions and events recognize ITE.

 

Nope. At least in SEDIV. They have modified the regional only class rule. The quote I pasted is straight from the SEDIV web site. In particular this sentence seems to make the point:
"Series vehicles must conform to configuration safety rules of the series (owners responsibility to show proof)"

I will be in Jekyll at the Annual SEDIV meeting on the 21st-23rd of this month and will ask more about it. The SEDIV rules says what it says and in fact goes on to state that IF the car does not meet another series rules THEN it must meet the specifications in GCR for GT/Production specifications. Looks straightforward to me.

Barry H.

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I think H2 goes to SPU as well.

 

Gotcha. You're right. I misread it the first time.

And H2 cars would go there as well. No minimum weight.

I've said before that I'd like to run a good H1 car at the ARRC in SPU. The Baby Grands typically win at times that are about the same as ITS, and I think a well driven H1 car should flat spank an ITS car.
To date, it hasn't really been tried. If anybody wants to let me borrow their H1 car I'd be glad to give it a shot.

 

I was under the impression that SPU was under 2.0 litres? Are you sure its 2.5l?

 

For some reason SEDIV opted to let anything under 2.5 liters run under SPU. Being a 1.8 liter I wished that was not true. Something like a 240z that does not meet ITS could would be in SPU. Most Divisions or regions from what I understand stick with the 2 liter limitation.

Barry H.

 

My guess it was to allow the E30 M3s to run in SPU where they can be competitive. I think thats a 2.3 liter car.

 

They should just put the E30 M3 in ITS.

 

And the Type R.
But they won't.

The E36 thing has been a disaster. They'll just keep adding weight and restrictors to it until they slow it down and call it a day.

I figure there will eventually need to be another class above ITS though, and some of the orphans from right now will go there.
Current cars like the Civic Si, RSX-S, BMW Z4, and others around 200hp will need a place to go.

 

would a normally aspirated 2.5L awd subaru be eligible for SPU?
(...not like it would have a competitive chance)

 

If you read the cut and paste of the SEDIV rule you would be SPO by one dang cc!! (2499cc and under).
Dag nabit.

Barry H.

 

its actually 2498cc
so the engine size is fine,
The issue is if awd is allowed.

 

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The ITR would fit in ITS if it had to run stock gearing, stock bottom end (no .40 overbores) no additional headwork and a stock air box with your choice of filter. WHP should be very close to an IT prepped GSR. ITR brakes would be a slight advantage, but a little additional min. weight would equalize it.

I'd love to run my car in a few SCCA ECR Enduros .

 

I don't think it is disallowed in SPU. Go look up the GCR online under the "club" section at http://www.scca.com section 17.1.10 Except for the safety rules and whatever rules your region or division might have (are you SEDIV) the rules are pretty wide open (except on forced induction).

Barry H.