Can you pull axles from the tranny w/o losening the axle nut?

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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 04:59 PM
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Default Can you pull axles from the tranny w/o losening the axle nut?

This is in regards to my '88 Si.

I was told that this is possible, however I am struggling to do it. It seems that without removing the axle from the hub, I don't have enough room to get the axle out of the tranny. I have disconnected the lower wishbone, radius rod, and tie rod, but still don't seem to have enough room. Is there a trick to this?

Any help is appreciated,
Scott
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 05:16 PM
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Default Re: Can you pull axles from the tranny w/o losening the axle nut? (FlyZlow)

Why not just remove the axle?
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 05:18 PM
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Default Re: Can you pull axles from the tranny w/o losening the axle nut? (FlyZlow)

seems like youd have to remove the lower and upper balljoints as well. which all seems like more trouble than just removing the axle nut, which i guess youre finding out for yourself....

you ahving problems taking out the axle nut? its really not that hard with a breaker bar and jack handle cheater bar.
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 05:20 PM
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Default Re: Can you pull axles from the tranny w/o losening the axle nut? (Tyson)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you ahving problems taking out the axle nut? its really not that hard with a breaker bar and jack handle cheater bar.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I know that to take it off when I first got my crx I had to use a 4 ft piece of steel tubing on the end of the breaker bar to get it off...and broke a breaker bar in the process

But that is stil easier than all the other crap you'd have to do, and you'll need to get it off eventually if you ever need to change the axles...might as well do it now.
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 05:22 PM
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Default Re: Can you pull axles from the tranny w/o losening the axle nut? (FlyZlow)

All you need to do is pop the lower ball joint.
You dont need to touch the tie rod end, radius rods, or the shock fork.

I always do this when pulling motors. Just undo the lower ball joints, pop out the inner joints from the tranny, and let them hang there.

If I'm remove the tranny, I will also undo the radius rod and shock fork on the passanger side and swing the axle towards the front of the car so there is room to drop the tranny out.
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 05:24 PM
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Default Re: Can you pull axles from the tranny w/o losening the axle nut? (FlyZlow)

1. First loosen the axle nut
2. Jack up car and seperate tie rod and lower ball joint.
3. Seperate upper ball joint
4. Axle is ready to come out


radius rods don't need to be removed to pull axle out.
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 05:37 PM
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Default Re: Can you pull axles from the tranny w/o losening the axle nut? (eda6)

Thanks for the replies guys. This is my first time doing this, so I just sort of disasembled everything to figure out what it all does. I didn't want to undo the axle nut because I don't have a big enough socket or anything to get enough leverage on it. Maybe I'll break down and just go get the stuff to do that though.

Does it require a special tool to separate the ball joints? Maybe I'll go that route if it's easier.

Maybe I'll just buy an impact wrench.
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 05:59 PM
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Default Re: Can you pull axles from the tranny w/o losening the axle nut? (FlyZlow)

The quick way-A picklefork can be used if you plan on changing the balljoints. Your boots will get damaged, no problem if you're replacing the balljoint.

To do it the right way get a ball joint seperator. I made one out of a pulley remover. I flipped the jaws around and used a nut to protect the threads. Works pretty good.

To get the axle nut off get a 32mm socket (1.25" socket works too) and get a 1/2" drive or bigger breaker bar.

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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 06:02 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by eda6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Your boots will get damaged</TD></TR></TABLE> iv been wondering this for a while, if the boots are dmged what will it do to the car?
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 06:45 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRX_Control &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> iv been wondering this for a while, if the boots are dmged what will it do to the car? </TD></TR></TABLE>

It will most likely cause some of the ball joint grease to escape as well as letting dirt and water in....thus shortening the life of the ball joint.
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 07:41 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRX_Control &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> iv been wondering this for a while, if the boots are dmged what will it do to the car? </TD></TR></TABLE>
just replace the boots - only cost about a buck each
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 07:56 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jlicrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just replace the boots - only cost about a buck each</TD></TR></TABLE> oh aight, just wanted to know what whould happen f you dont , cause mine are ripped
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 08:42 PM
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Default Re: Can you pull axles from the tranny w/o losening the axle nut? (CRX_Control)

I remove the lower ball joint when I need to remove axle from the tranny, works beautifully.
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 09:08 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRX_Control &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> oh aight, just wanted to know what whould happen f you dont , cause mine are ripped </TD></TR></TABLE>

Better get those fixed. Replacing boots is way cheaper than replacing axles.

Ok, so I got the axle nuts off finally. I bought a ball joint separator, but I don't know how to use it or what to separate. Does anyone have pictures or a thread link or something to show me what to do? If so, that'd be awesome. Otherwise, a verbal description would be cool too. I tried to just push the end of the axle out of the hub, but I couldn't get it all of the way out. I'm not sure if I am just not hitting it hard enough or if there's just not room for it to come all of the way out.

Sorry for the newb questions. Thanks for the help guys.
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 10:23 PM
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Default Re: Can you pull axles from the tranny w/o losening the axle nut? (jlicrx)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jlicrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
just replace the boots - only cost about a buck each</TD></TR></TABLE>

Show me where, and explain to me on how you get the old boot off ?

Also, I will never ever use a pickle fork again, its not worth it. Last time I used one, on the used car I bought this happen.



And I applied light pressure on it, its amazing on how people take care of there cars .

What kind of separator did you buy, if you bought the claw type, all you do is put it on to the ball joint so the middle part is touching the ball joint stud, and tighten it down.
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 10:43 PM
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Default Re: Can you pull axles from the tranny w/o losening the axle nut? (90blackcrx)

Hmm ... I'm starting to think that what I bought is what you guys are calling a pickle fork. It was labled "Ball Joint Spreader", but it looks like a tuning fork, but skinnier and the ends come to points. Seems like it could do some damage to the boot if I used it the way it looks like I should.

So, I got tired of messing w/ the ball joint and just unbolted the LCA from the frame and was able to easily get both axles out that way. The only problem now is that I think I may have accidentally damaged one of them. When I pulled the hub away after unbolting the LCA, it went further than I thought and I think it may have separated the CV joint. I'm not sure how to tell though, but I noticed that the CV boot looked a little deformed when I got back under the car. I avoided making the same mistake on the other side, but this might be a painful lesson.

Thanks again for the help.

- Scott
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Old Jan 5, 2005 | 07:10 AM
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Default Re: Can you pull axles from the tranny w/o losening the axle nut? (FlyZlow)

If the inner joint popped out, 90% of the time, you can just swivel the joint around while pushing it back on the axle, and it will slide back on.
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Old Jan 5, 2005 | 07:34 AM
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Default Re: Can you pull axles from the tranny w/o losening the axle nut? (Slopoke)

to get my axle nuts off i had to sit and hammer at them with an impact wrench for a little while. but ive also used a titanium lacrosse shaft that i rigged up that i like to call my "tourqe master" works wonders


also if the boots were ripped i would look into replacing the joints a boot will only be a temporary fix if theress already grime and stuff in there

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Old Jan 5, 2005 | 08:21 AM
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Default Re: Can you pull axles from the tranny w/o losening the axle nut? (Slopoke)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Slopoke &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If the inner joint popped out, 90% of the time, you can just swivel the joint around while pushing it back on the axle, and it will slide back on.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks for the tip. I didn't rip the boot or anything, so I'll try this when I get home. If that doesn't work, I'll just pull the axle (should be easy now that everything is disconnected) and take it down to my local honda shop and have it looked at. I really don't think that I broke anything; it's probably just out of joint. Even if I can't do it, maybe they can just take the boot off, put it back in place, then put a new boot on or something.
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