Rod Short from Precesion says that the SC61 comes with the SAME compressor blades as the GT35R.

What i wanted to know is how is that possible since the blade is pre assembled as a cartridge with the ball bearing unit and you cannot, from my knowledge take a Ball Bearing blade and make it non ball bearing, since thats what the SC61 is, according Rod Short of Precesion........

Can anyone confirm?


Modified by integlspwr2k at 9:49 PM 1/2/2005

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integlspwr2k &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Rod Short from Precesion says that the SC61 comes with the SAME compressor blades as the GT35R.

What i wanted to know is how is that possible since the blade is pre assembled as a cartridge with the ball bearing unit and you cannot, from my knowledge take a Ball Bearing blade and make it non ball bearing, since thats what the SC61 is, according Rod Short of Precesion........

Can anyone confirm?


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hmm, good question

 

They just order the compressor wheel "loose" from Garrett. All turbocharger components carry their own part number, since alot of complete turbo assemblies and cartridges share components. So as long as you know the pn, the individual component can be ordered seperately.

 

Hello there from Sunny South Africa.

Does anyone no the part number for a gt35R compressor wheel and
the part number for a the exhaust wheel that comes in the .63 exhaust housing...?

many thanks

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbopimp &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They just order the compressor wheel "loose" from Garrett. All turbocharger components carry their own part number, since alot of complete turbo assemblies and cartridges share components. So as long as you know the pn, the individual component can be ordered seperately.</TD></TR></TABLE>

But from what i know, you just can NOT slapp on a Ball Bearing blade to a non ball bearing cartridge...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slow poke &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you are talking about the SC-6152E than yes, it comes with the GT350 wheel out of the GT and GTR turbos </TD></TR></TABLE>

There is a difference with the GT blades and GTR blades...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DUB20VT &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hello there from Sunny South Africa.

Does anyone no the part number for a gt35R compressor wheel and
the part number for a the exhaust wheel that comes in the .63 exhaust housing...?

many thanks
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I want to know this too for, I want the ACTUAL ball bearing blade from teh GT30R in my GT3255E.

 

You guys are getting things confused here. A GT350 is a turbine wheel, not a compressor wheel.

The GT35 and GT35R do have different compressor wheels. The one on the GT35R is much more efficient.

As far as p/n's on individual wheels, sorry, it's not really to anyone's benefit to throw this on the board. There are variations and revisions to these, we don't sell individual components and most wouldn't know how to I.D. a naked wheel anyway.

Part of the game in this business is adpating existing technology towards to specific applications and even whole markets, which is why we've been so successful in everything from 640 cid twin turbo V8's with 3,000 hp right down to 1.6L daily drivers. We've done the R&D and even gone so far as to invest in out own proprietary castings, etc. in order to tailor products to the application. Otherwise, all GT35R's would only come with either a 0.82 or 1.06 A/R.

As far as how do we do it . . . well, sorry guys . . . some things are proprietary information. I'm not blowing you off, but some things are just not for public consumption. That's not to hide anything, and I'm not trying to oversimplify, but this it's just not going to be worthwhile info to 90% of the people here.

Even when we plainly state what the facts are, we always run the risk of things being taken out of context or misunderstood (as in this case) and then the effort to straighten out the misinformation results in even more issues.

Hope you can understand. We could certainly be like the other major players and not take the time to respond to questions about our product or offer suggestions, but we feel that taking the time to do this helps everyone.

Please feel free to call me if you have any additional questions.

Rod Short
Sales Manager
Precision Turbo
(219) 996-7832

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rod Short &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">all GT35R's would only come with either a 0.82 or 1.06 A/R.</TD></TR></TABLE>

If GT35R's only come with the .82 or 1.06 A/R, how does cheapturbos.com get them in .63 a/r? From what i know, the smaller A/R that he offers, the .63, is a facotry garret part and not a precesion housing.

like turbo pimp said, all turbo charger components has their own part number and i'm pretty sure garret has MANY listings for Exhuast housings down to .25 A/R or something like that, if i recall correctly.

http://store.yahoo.com/cheapturbo/gagt56tr1.html

Here is a copy and paste from his store..

FULL STEEL BALLBEARING CENTER SECTION

compressor specs: TO4S housing

TO4S: .70a/r

compressor wheel trim: 56 trim wheel

compressor flow: 60 LB/MIN

turbine specs:T3

.63 a/r, .82 a/r or 1.06 a/r

84 trim wheel

Water cooled and oil lubricated bearing housing standard.

full steel ball bearing cartridge, not ceramic...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rod Short &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As far as p/n's on individual wheels, sorry, it's not really to anyone's benefit to throw this on the board. There are variations and revisions to these, we don't sell individual components and most wouldn't know how to I.D. a naked wheel anyway.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why not it would benifit the people that want to put togehter their own custom turbo and want to try different blades / housing combinations instead of a off the shelf one.

 

Yes, there are a lot of part numbers out there, which aren't public knowledge. If you look at Garrett's downloadable catalog at http://www.turbobygarrett.com, the only numbers they show are with the A/R's I mentioned.

We agree that off the shelf units aren't always the best for reasons as I explained in an earlier post. Most companies won't release individual parts for a lot of reasons for which there is no benefit to get into here.

Rod Short
Sales Manager
Precision Turbo

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rod Short &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, there are a lot of part numbers out there, which aren't public knowledge. If you look at Garrett's downloadable catalog at http://www.turbobygarrett.com, the only numbers they show are with the A/R's I mentioned.

We agree that off the shelf units aren't always the best for reasons as I explained in an earlier post. Most companies won't release individual parts for a lot of reasons for which there is no benefit to get into here.

Rod Short
Sales Manager
Precision Turbo</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks for taking the time to respond... I am in no way in trying to devaluve your products or find the secrects behind your sucess but all i'm trying to inquire about is,

Do your turbos run ball bearing blades in non ball bearing turbos (sc61) ?

-integlspwr-

 

Anyone care to answer my last question?

 

Good Question.....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integlspwr2k &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Do your turbos run ball bearing blades in non ball bearing turbos (sc61) ?
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The compressor wheels are seperate from the ball bearings. The turbine wheels are paired w/ the CHRA. The SC61 uses a GT40 56 trim compressor wheel that was first used in a ball bearing turbo (gt35r) but its mated with a stage 5 turbine wheel and a stardard garrett cartridge. The Precision GT35e uses the same compressor wheel mated to a GT35 turbine wheel and a non-ball bearing GT cartridge. The GT35R is basically the same turbo as the GT35e but w/ a ball bearing center section. For the most part, w/ a few exeptions, any compressor wheel can be mated w/ any cartridge(ball bearing or not)/turbine wheel as long as they are of the same design.

 

I sincerely hope that readers view these posts with discretion as some of these anonymous posters are very misinformed. I don't think they know our product as well as we do.

The fact of the matter is that we use a GT35R compressor wheel on all three versions of the SC61 . . . and that has not changed, period.

Please contact me if you need clarification.

Rod Short
Sales Manager
Precision Turbo
(219) 996-7832

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integlspwr2k &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Do your turbos run ball bearing blades in non ball bearing turbos (sc61) ?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rod Short &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The fact of the matter is that we use a GT35R compressor wheel on all three versions of the SC61 . . . and that has not changed, period.
Please contact me if you need clarification.
Rod Short
Sales Manager
Precision Turbo
(219) 996-7832</TD></TR></TABLE>

All i needed was a yes or no to my original question of "Do your turbos run ACTUAL ball bearing blades in non ball bearing turbos (sc61)?" And im not talking about Ball Bearing STYLE

So with that said, you guys DO use Ball bearing blades in non ball bearing turbos.

for a great deal because not many companies can do or willing to do that....

 

For anyone looking, I have a brand new SC61 for sale.. Need to sell it ASAP
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1104299

 

Ball bearing blades, what are you talking about?

It uses a GT35R WHEEL, as in COMPRESSOR WHEEL. GT35R = ball bearing, it's the same thing.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b16coupe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ball bearing blades, what are you talking about?

It uses a GT35R WHEEL, as in COMPRESSOR WHEEL. GT35R = ball bearing, it's the same thing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

From my knowledge of ball bearing turbos is that the ball bearing cartridge is one unit with the blades from Garret.

So what precesin is doing buying the blades ala carte and making turbos with BB blades in NON BB turbos.

And if you know about turbos, the BB blades are WAY better then a normal non BB turbo has.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integlspwr2k &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

From my knowledge of ball bearing turbos is that the ball bearing cartridge is one unit with the blades from Garret.

So what precesin is doing buying the blades ala carte and making turbos with BB blades in NON BB turbos.

And if you know about turbos, the BB blades are WAY better then a normal non BB turbo has.

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No. The Compressor Blades from many companies are a SEPARATE component of the cartridge and most are not designated to be "ball-bearing" or "Journal Bearing" just upon the blades themselves...

Don't get the 2 components confused.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integlspwr2k &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And if you know about turbos, the BB blades are WAY better then a normal non BB turbo has.

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If you know about turbos, 99% of aftermarket ball bearing turbos use the exact same wheels as non ball bearing turbos. A T66 and a BB T66 use the same wheel. Same for a T70, a T72, a TO4E 57 trim, a TO4E 50 trim, a 60-1, they all use the same wheel. You might be mistaking a GT-series compressor wheel compared to a non-GT compressor wheel, but there is not a difference between ball bearing and non-ball bearing.