eventually i am going to build my entire motor from the ground up. Could i hit 11.3 - 12.0 with a fully built spoon/jun/toda/whatever motor. not cutting any corners ie doing everything tranny port polish blueprint everything i am thinking of spending somewhere around $10,000 - $12,000. is this possible to get these 1/4 times on a na motor. or do you guys think it would be better to build my motor to handle a turbo system for these times? something like 8 psi daily 15 psi to race and built it to handle 28 psi. if i where to do that do you think i would have many problems with the motor if i dont push it all the time? see i was all set on the na way but just last sat. there was this 400hp (thats what he said)civic si looking stock besides the huge intercoller rims and lowered. and it was built to handle 28 psi and he ran it on 15 and omg that car halled ***. he raced a 93 hb gsr swap with greddy turbo pushing 8 psi and took him by 4 car lengths with a slipping clutch. after seeing that i kind of starting thinking that a na r could never be as fast as that fully built turbo civic si. any input would be great like i said i dont want to cut any corners and only the best parts for my R will do if i have to send my motor to japan to get it built i will do just that. i want to do this right the first time and i dont want to have any MAJOR problems. and no i am not going to sell my R for anything else that would hit 11.3 - 12.0 any eaiser. what better felling would it be to roll up on a ferrari a porscha a viper or what ever in a honda and totally kick their ***. thanks for all the input in advance guys.

 

I don't think you could get there NA. The fastest NA I know of ran "I think" in the vicinity of 12.5 sec. I would go turbo, if that were my goal. Just do it right. good luck

p.s. The problem with civics is that they weigh less, and therefore, can ultimately be faster. Oh well.


[Modified by SoCal ITR, 1:11 AM 1/7/2002]

 

this post has no buisness in the type R forum

 

Have you been living in a cave for a long time now?

Fastest N/A is in the mid 10's now.

 

well he has a itr and there are some 12 second Rs in here. You can also try the tech forum.

 

lol. I think he is talking about the fastest all motor R (not fully drag).

yea team l'natural and there little damn 10 second monster!


[Modified by Type R, 1:16 AM 1/7/2002]

 

Yeah, why do something smart with that money, like investing it? idiot.

How many times did you see the Fast and the Furious?I can think of a much better feeling - driving a Ferrari, a Porsche, or a Viper! and getting 10 times as many girls as you'd ever get in an Acura Integra.

Talk to sgT on this board - he seems to be getting a lot of traffic lately of morons like you who want to sink their life savings into a $25,000 Honda. But, since you wanted as much input as possible - allmotor 11.3-12.0 is NOT possible in your Type R. You'd have to make a purpose-built, tube-framed car in order to do that. A guy on here had over 400hp in his turbo'd Teg and he went 12.0...the fastest N/A guys do around 12.5-12.7, and they are seasoned vets. They sure didn't come on here asking a bunch of strangers whether or not they should do turbo or NA - they knew what they wanted and did it. Once again I'll give you the cause for some reason this post made me really mad. Maybe because I have seen it 4 times in the last week...kids like you are a dime a dozen. So don't think you're being unique.


[Modified by Ross, 9:18 AM 1/7/2002]

 

damn ross.. That was a good post

 

why isnt 12.0 possible in an n/a integra possible? am i missing something? i think ive spent in the $20,000 range in modding my integra over the last year and i dont really have a lot to show for it, but I learned alot in the process. I dont feel bad about it, I just look at the bright side and realize how rich is will be THIS year by not having to spend that much money again.

just ask lip... he had a mid 11 second setup in his integra.


[Modified by TurboR616, 4:26 AM 1/7/2002]

 

thank you ross, thats exactly what i was thinking, just didnt want to take the tiem to type it all out. no buisness at all!

 

thanks...******* kids **** me off. We JUST had one of these like yesterday or earlier today...some ******* was like "I want to hit 12's, what do I do?" Those who know, don't ask. They don't have any appreciation of what it takes...stupid. I bet his parents just bought him the R and he can't be any more than 21 years old.

I have news for you, stupid kid who started this thread - the ITR is no longer the hottest **** on the streets. You came to the party a little late. In a few months, kids in RSX Type S's and WRXs will be violating you on the dragstrip...including all your rich friends. And just wait until the EVO gets here...your friends will be running 12's with just a boost controller...so get ready

 

Gordon - read this thread. we were really discussing EXACTLY the same thing earlier today. https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=109567

And Stupid Kid (this is your new name unless you prove me wrong), I suggest you read it too. As soon as you get done watching Fast and the Furious for the 113th time.


[Modified by Ross, 9:31 AM 1/7/2002]

 

tears stream down my face right now.

btw, i was making 350whp when i was 20

gordon- who wants to be the hottest **** on the streets, and make after comments like his mentor and idol


[Modified by TurboR616, 4:33 AM 1/7/2002]

 

Streetable, ***. $10-12k


p.s., Did you catch that "I think?"


[Modified by SoCal ITR, 1:44 AM 1/7/2002]

 

nah.... Ross and Chris has only been living in a cave for a SHORT amount of time


[Modified by TurboR616, 4:47 AM 1/7/2002]


[Modified by TurboR616, 4:47 AM 1/7/2002]

 

No kidding.

......."ask any racer, ask any REAL racer.........if you weren't in the scene before we made this movie, you weren't in the scene" <<<----------- what should have been said by Vin in F&F

 

damn thats fast.. his car is like 240+whp i think... **** looks so clean and he tears it up on the track

 

To lip's car. That is one N/A monster.

 

I agree that a post like this is seen everyday (people really need to utilize the search function) but I don't think that people (Ross, I love you! Hope your car is back soon!) have to be so judgmental. He may be a kid...or he may be a doctor who likes Hondas. Who knows? Anyway, I know no one really knows me or has any respect for me, but I still think we should give people a chance.

 

A gutted EG hatch or a 2nd gen CRX will go elevens with your motor. But not a DC2.

 

why not?

 

Ross i agree.. after going for a most intense test drive in a brand spanking new M3 last night.. just lowered with hartage wheels.. it made me think totally different.. It makes you **** in the pants.. the car hauls ***! all motor madness.. we had 5 people in the car.. 600lbs alone in the back and still spun tires in 2nd gear.. just plain mad.. the only downside is that i didnt know this guy and he hit 140mph in a 55mph two lane street.. that was pretty retarded but the car felt so smooth comparing to an R doing the same speed.. i thought we were gonna go around the block for a quick ride eneded up driving for 40 miles! heehehhe

to top it all off ran into an S4 chipped that blew by us.. there was no place to race him so we invited him to go to this nice striaght away next to LAX... the guy doesnt know how to launch that M3 but regardless the S4 has a killer start the car just instantly jumps to 60 mph from dead start.. but after 120 the m3 took him and was long gone.. That thing was a simply a beauty.. wish i could afford one.

 

Weight my friend, weight.

 

If Jeff weighing in at 2,200 lbs was only getting 12.5's (granted he still hadn't worked out the whole driveline issue), then it is certainly going to take more than 250 whp to get a streetable R into the low 12's.

 

a friend has a full frame integra that hits mid-low 11's all NA. Weight is the main issue to make that speed. To do 11's you need the car to weight like 2000lbs with around 210+whp and some trq. Also traction is a issue, as with a good gearing setup, etc...
If you want low 11's or 10's you will need to weight like 1700lbs with around 230-250whp N/A with a stronger drag setup.

The best NA R I've seen is the local Skunk type R. He hits mid 12's (12.5-12.4) all N/A with around 210-215whp with a stock bottom end. That car is very light which is his main advantage. Its totally stripped, no mirrors, carbon hood, no side skirts, no wing, HyTech drag header, etc... To do a low 12sec NA R that can run on the streets like that is VERY VERY hard. I would figure a streetable R with minor interior removal (rear seats, etc...) that weights in at around 2200-2400lbs with around 200-210whp will hit around low, low 13's or high 12's at the very best with slicks. Low or mid 13's on a street trim is the most likely.

If you go FI, thats a total different story! lol