Header and tube pics
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Header and tube pics
I welded this header for somebody, one of the businesses that makes headers. I don't want to say who, as the company may not appraciate it. I have a couple pics of the welds that I can show though...
Here's a joint in the header. I'm sure I can improve on this in time:
Below is a joint I did, just tube to tube with no bevel or filler. This is how they like welds in food process and pharmaceutical piping.
Here's a misc pic I took the other day before I quit my "real job":
BTW, Engloid Performance is now open for business (shameless plug)...but keep in mind that if I don't have your car here, I can't make a header for it. I will likely be getting a bender sometime and will begin doing fixtures and such to build headers for a few cars. If you have stuff you want me to do, please email or PM me. Otherwise, this thread will be cluttered, boring for most, locked, or deleted.
What the hell, I'll throw in a pic of Mr.Kitty, the 6-toe cat:
If the cat pic or the shameless plug is a problem, I won't be offended if the mods want to edit the post.
Here's a joint in the header. I'm sure I can improve on this in time:
Below is a joint I did, just tube to tube with no bevel or filler. This is how they like welds in food process and pharmaceutical piping.
Here's a misc pic I took the other day before I quit my "real job":
BTW, Engloid Performance is now open for business (shameless plug)...but keep in mind that if I don't have your car here, I can't make a header for it. I will likely be getting a bender sometime and will begin doing fixtures and such to build headers for a few cars. If you have stuff you want me to do, please email or PM me. Otherwise, this thread will be cluttered, boring for most, locked, or deleted.
What the hell, I'll throw in a pic of Mr.Kitty, the 6-toe cat:
If the cat pic or the shameless plug is a problem, I won't be offended if the mods want to edit the post.
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Re: Header and tube pics (Engloid)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Engloid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Below is a joint I did, just tube to tube with no bevel or filler. This is how they like welds in food process and pharmaceutical piping.
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i have ran some beads like that .. is filler always ness? .. b/c ive ran some 40sch tubing with the pulser and they come out like that .. but when i try to do it with filler it looks to raised and uneven ..
Below is a joint I did, just tube to tube with no bevel or filler. This is how they like welds in food process and pharmaceutical piping.
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i have ran some beads like that .. is filler always ness? .. b/c ive ran some 40sch tubing with the pulser and they come out like that .. but when i try to do it with filler it looks to raised and uneven ..
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Re: Header and tube pics (Syner-G-Racing)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syner-G-Racing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wish my cat had six toes...he looks like he's always giving two thumbs... 
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yeah, and you can see that even the little toe in the middle has a huge claw on it. He's a wimpy cat, but I'd bet if he had to fight, he'd be pretty damaging.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Goullish »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks good as always, need an employee? (Shameless plug from my side)</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks. You moving to Tennessee anytime? I don't need help now, but I'm thinking that if, at some point, I buy an expensive tube bender, I'll want it running a LOT to pay for itself. This may mean hiring somebody to run it, along with other tasks as needed.
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i have ran some beads like that .. is filler always ness? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Needed? No, not always. Stainless welds well on thin tubing like this where you can burn through it in one pass. Aluminum, on the other hand doesn't weld well without adding filler. It will often crack immediately if you don't use filler. Even if you get it to weld without cracking, it will be weak and likely not hold up well to even beging dropped.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbo gli »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... b/c ive ran some 40sch tubing with the pulser and they come out like that .. but when i try to do it with filler it looks to raised and uneven .. </TD></TR></TABLE>
That wasn't welded using any pulse at all. I walked the cup around it.
As for your raised and uneven welds when adding filler...maybe you are welding it a bit cold.
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</TD></TR></TABLE>yeah, and you can see that even the little toe in the middle has a huge claw on it. He's a wimpy cat, but I'd bet if he had to fight, he'd be pretty damaging.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Goullish »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks good as always, need an employee? (Shameless plug from my side)</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks. You moving to Tennessee anytime? I don't need help now, but I'm thinking that if, at some point, I buy an expensive tube bender, I'll want it running a LOT to pay for itself. This may mean hiring somebody to run it, along with other tasks as needed.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbo gli »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i have ran some beads like that .. is filler always ness? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Needed? No, not always. Stainless welds well on thin tubing like this where you can burn through it in one pass. Aluminum, on the other hand doesn't weld well without adding filler. It will often crack immediately if you don't use filler. Even if you get it to weld without cracking, it will be weak and likely not hold up well to even beging dropped.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbo gli »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... b/c ive ran some 40sch tubing with the pulser and they come out like that .. but when i try to do it with filler it looks to raised and uneven .. </TD></TR></TABLE>
That wasn't welded using any pulse at all. I walked the cup around it.
As for your raised and uneven welds when adding filler...maybe you are welding it a bit cold.
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Most of the polydactal cats only have 5 toes. Normal is 4 on each foot.
Most of the polydactal cats only have 5 toes. Normal is 4 on each foot.
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Re: Header and tube pics (Engloid)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Engloid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
He's a wimpy cat, but I'd bet if he had to fight, he'd be pretty damaging.</TD></TR></TABLE>
From the size of that thumb, he's bringing a howitzer to a paintball field.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Engloid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks. You moving to Tennessee anytime? I don't need help now, but I'm thinking that if, at some point, I buy an expensive tube bender, I'll want it running a LOT to pay for itself. This may mean hiring somebody to run it, along with other tasks as needed.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually and honestly, at the end of June (end of the last SAE Baja race) I won't have anything holding me to this town or this state. When you need help, I ask that you consider looking me up. While I don't have much in the way of experience (spent too much time studying the wrong things for the wrong reason), when it comes to machinery, I'm the fastest learner you'll find. Plus, I have full product completion experience, design to race day, and can hold my own with a torch, compared to the time I have with one in hand.
But anyways, just a thought.
He's a wimpy cat, but I'd bet if he had to fight, he'd be pretty damaging.</TD></TR></TABLE>
From the size of that thumb, he's bringing a howitzer to a paintball field.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Engloid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks. You moving to Tennessee anytime? I don't need help now, but I'm thinking that if, at some point, I buy an expensive tube bender, I'll want it running a LOT to pay for itself. This may mean hiring somebody to run it, along with other tasks as needed.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually and honestly, at the end of June (end of the last SAE Baja race) I won't have anything holding me to this town or this state. When you need help, I ask that you consider looking me up. While I don't have much in the way of experience (spent too much time studying the wrong things for the wrong reason), when it comes to machinery, I'm the fastest learner you'll find. Plus, I have full product completion experience, design to race day, and can hold my own with a torch, compared to the time I have with one in hand.
But anyways, just a thought.
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Re: Header and tube pics (Goullish)
I wish I could tell you it would be a great move for you...but the job market in my area sucks pretty bad, and wages are low for that reason. For example, I worked at a place recently and was probably one of the top 4 paid guys in the shop...at $18.50. Average welder pay in this area is probably about 12-14/hr, and that's for guys that can weld pipe.
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Re: Header and tube pics (Engloid)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Engloid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
That wasn't welded using any pulse at all. I walked the cup around it.
As for your raised and uneven welds when adding filler...maybe you are welding it a bit cold.
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dont mind me piggy backing this post, but MR Engloid, I have watched your video of you " walking the cup". And from what i can see in the video is that you are using your right hand and that you field of view of your tungsten is non exisitent. Also that the cup size is very large, i am using a PTW-20 torch, its cups are very small in comparison to the pt-26 air cooled torch i also have. The smaller cups size will not allow me to take as big of a step as i need to once i begin to walk the cup. It's if the cup didnt move at all, even after walking 10 steps forward. I have tried walking it with out the torch even pluged in, while also making long sweeping passes of the torch handle, left and then right. With reguard to your field of view, are you standing above your torch and looking down and back at it( like leaning over it and looking back toward your stomach)? lastly, are the amps held constant, and when do i dip filler rod when the tungsten points at the center of the joint???
Great weld by the way, making us all look bad ,one pic at a time...
That wasn't welded using any pulse at all. I walked the cup around it.
As for your raised and uneven welds when adding filler...maybe you are welding it a bit cold.
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dont mind me piggy backing this post, but MR Engloid, I have watched your video of you " walking the cup". And from what i can see in the video is that you are using your right hand and that you field of view of your tungsten is non exisitent. Also that the cup size is very large, i am using a PTW-20 torch, its cups are very small in comparison to the pt-26 air cooled torch i also have. The smaller cups size will not allow me to take as big of a step as i need to once i begin to walk the cup. It's if the cup didnt move at all, even after walking 10 steps forward. I have tried walking it with out the torch even pluged in, while also making long sweeping passes of the torch handle, left and then right. With reguard to your field of view, are you standing above your torch and looking down and back at it( like leaning over it and looking back toward your stomach)? lastly, are the amps held constant, and when do i dip filler rod when the tungsten points at the center of the joint???
Great weld by the way, making us all look bad ,one pic at a time...
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Re: Header and tube pics (Engloid)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Engloid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wish I could tell you it would be a great move for you...but the job market in my area sucks pretty bad, and wages are low for that reason. For example, I worked at a place recently and was probably one of the top 4 paid guys in the shop...at $18.50. Average welder pay in this area is probably about 12-14/hr, and that's for guys that can weld pipe.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The market here is drying at the moment as well. I scored relatively big (compared to the wage class I was in before this job) when I needed a job, but it was only a temporary thing. I don't see them needing me past May. Looking rather bleak.
The market here is drying at the moment as well. I scored relatively big (compared to the wage class I was in before this job) when I needed a job, but it was only a temporary thing. I don't see them needing me past May. Looking rather bleak.
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Re: Header and tube pics (Engloid)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Engloid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wish I could tell you it would be a great move for you...but the job market in my area sucks pretty bad, and wages are low for that reason. For example, I worked at a place recently and was probably one of the top 4 paid guys in the shop...at $18.50. Average welder pay in this area is probably about 12-14/hr, and that's for guys that can weld pipe.</TD></TR></TABLE>
wow..i was offered a job tig'ing Aluminum MRI machines after i finished my 8 week tig program @ a local welding school and they were starting @ $16.50...$18.50 is an insult to someone with your skills IMO.
wow..i was offered a job tig'ing Aluminum MRI machines after i finished my 8 week tig program @ a local welding school and they were starting @ $16.50...$18.50 is an insult to someone with your skills IMO.
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Re: Header and tube pics (shortyz)
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dont mind me piggy backing this post, but MR Engloid, I have watched your video of you " walking the cup". And from what i can see in the video is that you are using your right hand and that you field of view of your tungsten is non exisitent. Also that the cup size is very large, i am using a PTW-20 torch, its cups are very small in comparison to the pt-26 air cooled torch i also have. The smaller cups size will not allow me to take as big of a step as i need to once i begin to walk the cup. It's if the cup didnt move at all, even after walking 10 steps forward. I have tried walking it with out the torch even pluged in, while also making long sweeping passes of the torch handle, left and then right. With reguard to your field of view, are you standing above your torch and looking down and back at it( like leaning over it and looking back toward your stomach)? lastly, are the amps held constant, and when do i dip filler rod when the tungsten points at the center of the joint???
Great weld by the way, making us all look bad ,one pic at a time...</TD></TR></TABLE>
You're pretty much right about most of it, except for the view of the tungsten. When walking the cup, you want to see it, even if you have to lean over the weld. You may go right to left or whatever, but you want to see the tungsten. The camera angle in that video wasn't exactly the angle I'd look to weld from...just what I had to do to hold the camera and walk the cup at the same time.
When walking the cup, it's best to hold amparage constant (slight changes to regulate head and puddle size, as metal soaks heat), and leave the wire in the puddle, without dabbing at all.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mpir3 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wow..i was offered a job tig'ing Aluminum MRI machines after i finished my 8 week tig program @ a local welding school and they were starting @ $16.50...$18.50 is an insult to someone with your skills IMO.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I thought so too...but I gotta have a job. Cost of living isn't really bad here though. I bought a 3br, 2ba house with fenced yard and garage for $66k a few years back.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shortyz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">engloid you purge behind the weld i presume right
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On the butt weld, I did. On the slip joints, I didn't. If you don't burn through, it won't affect anything.
dont mind me piggy backing this post, but MR Engloid, I have watched your video of you " walking the cup". And from what i can see in the video is that you are using your right hand and that you field of view of your tungsten is non exisitent. Also that the cup size is very large, i am using a PTW-20 torch, its cups are very small in comparison to the pt-26 air cooled torch i also have. The smaller cups size will not allow me to take as big of a step as i need to once i begin to walk the cup. It's if the cup didnt move at all, even after walking 10 steps forward. I have tried walking it with out the torch even pluged in, while also making long sweeping passes of the torch handle, left and then right. With reguard to your field of view, are you standing above your torch and looking down and back at it( like leaning over it and looking back toward your stomach)? lastly, are the amps held constant, and when do i dip filler rod when the tungsten points at the center of the joint???
Great weld by the way, making us all look bad ,one pic at a time...</TD></TR></TABLE>
You're pretty much right about most of it, except for the view of the tungsten. When walking the cup, you want to see it, even if you have to lean over the weld. You may go right to left or whatever, but you want to see the tungsten. The camera angle in that video wasn't exactly the angle I'd look to weld from...just what I had to do to hold the camera and walk the cup at the same time.
When walking the cup, it's best to hold amparage constant (slight changes to regulate head and puddle size, as metal soaks heat), and leave the wire in the puddle, without dabbing at all.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mpir3 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wow..i was offered a job tig'ing Aluminum MRI machines after i finished my 8 week tig program @ a local welding school and they were starting @ $16.50...$18.50 is an insult to someone with your skills IMO.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I thought so too...but I gotta have a job. Cost of living isn't really bad here though. I bought a 3br, 2ba house with fenced yard and garage for $66k a few years back.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shortyz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">engloid you purge behind the weld i presume right
</TD></TR></TABLE>On the butt weld, I did. On the slip joints, I didn't. If you don't burn through, it won't affect anything.
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Re: Header and tube pics (Engloid)
very nice welds, hopefully i can accomplish the looks and consistancy of those welds sometime in my welding carrier.....
anyways my welding instructor said that were haveing a national steel shortage, the prices are going up fast, because china is building that huge damn. there whording all the steel and since they produce the majority of it at half the price america can were screwed. that means noone needs welders.
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anyways my welding instructor said that were haveing a national steel shortage, the prices are going up fast, because china is building that huge damn. there whording all the steel and since they produce the majority of it at half the price america can were screwed. that means noone needs welders.
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Re: Header and tube pics (rexsk8er)
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That damn isn't even half of what's going on in China. That country's industrial sector is probably growing faster than any in the world. Manufacturing and production are getting really big in China. It appears that they are finally using some of their resources to build their own country...rather than just lining the pockets of a few people.
That damn isn't even half of what's going on in China. That country's industrial sector is probably growing faster than any in the world. Manufacturing and production are getting really big in China. It appears that they are finally using some of their resources to build their own country...rather than just lining the pockets of a few people.
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Re: Header and tube pics (Engloid)
Off topic i know... it's funny that even in the construction business of homes china is having a huge effect. We had to wait three weeks for roof tiles(cement mixture) because of the demand and shortage in china.
beautiful welds by the way!
beautiful welds by the way!
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Re: Header and tube pics (Engloid)
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That damn isn't even half of what's going on in China. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yea there is alot going on it china. Apparently something along the lines of like 50% of the cranes on the face of the earth are located in china right now. Entire cities are under construction. Not just a Damn, or homes, or etc...
It seems somewhere I read at this point in time they are requiring aprrox like 90% of the worlds metal resources right now. Dont know how true it is, that sure is a high number.
There was a Discussion about this in GDD a while back....
China will be the next super power
That damn isn't even half of what's going on in China. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yea there is alot going on it china. Apparently something along the lines of like 50% of the cranes on the face of the earth are located in china right now. Entire cities are under construction. Not just a Damn, or homes, or etc...
It seems somewhere I read at this point in time they are requiring aprrox like 90% of the worlds metal resources right now. Dont know how true it is, that sure is a high number.
There was a Discussion about this in GDD a while back....
China will be the next super power
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Re: Header and tube pics (This One)
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Funny how we used to lecture them on the superiority of capitalism. Now we're getting what we wished...
China will be the next super power
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Funny how we used to lecture them on the superiority of capitalism. Now we're getting what we wished...
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Re: Header and tube pics (kb58)
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Funny how we used to lecture them on the superiority of capitalism. Now we're getting what we wished...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats what happens when countries look to the future rather than trying to restore the lifestyle of 50 years ago. Doing that while spending billions of dollars on various other countries while America has more problems than we can count...
We should have listened to George Washington and stayed neutral. Switzerland just tells everyone to **** off and does whatever suits them best.
Oh yea, nice welds Engloid for MOD.
Funny how we used to lecture them on the superiority of capitalism. Now we're getting what we wished...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats what happens when countries look to the future rather than trying to restore the lifestyle of 50 years ago. Doing that while spending billions of dollars on various other countries while America has more problems than we can count...
We should have listened to George Washington and stayed neutral. Switzerland just tells everyone to **** off and does whatever suits them best.
Oh yea, nice welds
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