I'm sure you guys get these questions alot, and I've done alot of research but you all are the ones that know what will do better in the end. I plan to swap out the automatic d16 out of my 2000 Ex and swap in either a h22a or b16a2 with light to medium turbocharging and some electronic goodies. I will be using it as a daily driver, so reliablility and cleanliness (OEM look outside and in, minimal cutting etc)are a must. I know the b16 is an aftermarket gem, and stuff is cheap for it, but 2.2 liters is pullin me pretty hard toward h22 land. As far as labor I'm assume the b16 is cake and the h22 is a bitch. especially into 6th gen civics. But honestly, what have you guys that have done either swap really like or really hate about the engine you chose? Any help would be appreciated.

 

you really cant compare these 2 engines....but heres my input
if you leave your car an automatic, drop in the h22a...nuff said

if u get the h22a id go all motor....build it up.....lots of respect
requires new engine mounts...chassis wasnt really made for this engine
the handling is slightly affected, not nearly as bad as the rumors though

if u get the b16a2, get rid of the automatic definitely and turbo it
bolts right up...very few other parts needed
fun engine to play with...especially with f/i

 

i agree with this guy too.... H22A all motor should take you into 13s and shouldn't be a problem. so is B16A turbo. I personally had a all motor h22a in an Ek, and it felt pretty good on the streets.
tell me this, are you going to turbo one of these motor and just leave it stock, or you're planning to build a turbo car in the future?
If you're going to build a turbo car on the street, the B16A turbo would be pretty fun. And if you just want to be fast and not to do any hard core engine mods. than i would go H22A turbo, running 12s and call it good.
good luck on your dual cams!!!! give me a call, maybe i can help.

 

as a cheapskate..a 2000 or later motor is going to cost lots of bucks

 

for going turbo there is always another option, you could go with the b20 bold and a b18 head, it should be a little cheaper and will get you a little more power then the b16 but not the cost of the h22. But of the motors that yo said definatly go h22 if you have the money

 

Is there a website or manual I can read to learn about swapping engines? I'm going to swap out my engine out of my 94 Ex and probably put in a b16a, but I have no idea where to begin looking. Thanks.

 

Get a JDM engine w/ 10-50k miles. Pretty cheap, I can get a JDM B16A with about 20k for $1,000.

 

OMG!!! This is the first site I've been on where the majority was with me on the H22A. Bravo!!! That's my pat answer... H22A's are the bomb!!!

If you're into domestics at all, consider a H22A as the 'big block' of the Honda world. The B-whatevers are like 'small blocks.' I've seen H22A drag motors that put out 650+ HP with no sweat. Not too shabby for an I-4, eh?

Here's what they look like in various Civs...







As you can see, there is PLENTY of room for a turbo or two...

 

For overall cheapness - B16A2
For better "go" - H22

The H22 will be more work...but not too much.

I just say go B16A2 for it's ease of putting it into a Civic and it's larger aftermarket....or go with your gut and take 2 pics (1 of each) close your eyes and point.

But....when you get around to buying a motor: http://www.redime.com/swaps
Price includes EVERYTHING plus shipping.
When u buy - please say Sean sent you.

 

My eyes have seen the light! I think I'm gonna lift my skirt, grab my ***** and go h22. No one around here's got it anyway. Thanks for everyone's help

ps...keep posting to this thread!

 

the h22 is only like $2,900 w/out instalation....pretty cheap...but cant fit ac,no power steering and it sets a liittle low...but its a strong engine....gsr head and an Ls bottom....w/turbo... is a good combo...

 

Yep, but it's do-able. The thing is; what's the point? Ppl don't put H22A's in CiViC's so they can roll the windows up and steer in one-fingered comfort.

The problem is, with stock H22A accessory mounts, the A/C compressor sits right where the condenser is supposed to go, and the reservoir for the P/S is mounted so high you can't close the hood. You can move all this stuff around, but it takes almost as long as the swap itself.

JohnnyBlaze is right... just forget about the A/C and P/S. there's no reason to make an admittedly difficult swap even more difficult.

 

any times with a h22 eg? I'm thinking low 14s high 13s??? But would traction be a problem?

-Rod

 

just a quick question, how is it that this h22a has intake piping with a BOV on it, but headers where the turbo is supposed to be sitting?

 

leave it to LJ, he is the king of rice!!!

 

That's LJs car?!?!

-Rod

 

anyone have a h22a in an ek or ej please let me know how it handles and what springs you are running...and if you can yout 1/4 times..

 

would the blowoff valve affect power without the turbo???

 

I think it's so nice when people say what a swap will put you into in terms of 1/4 mile times.

So you guys think an H22A in a 1996-up COUPE is an EASY 13 second car?

WRONG.

There's a guy here local that has an H22A in a coupe that runs a 15.1. What?

"Must not be running right..." you say, but it wasn't throwing any ck engine lights when I rode in it, and the VTEC worked nicely, and it FELT like it was pulling good, but it's not crazy-*** like you would think. The only thing he can figure that's wrong is some EGR bullshit, but I really think it's just not as fast as we all were hoping it should be. An EGR problem would slow it down, but not by 2 whole seconds! I'm not dissing him, he's put a LOT of effort into it, but he's still struggling to get it running right and it's not the easiest swap to get running tip-top.

The guy who owns the car recently joined H-T, and I'll try to direct him to this post to let him give you FIRST-HAND accounts of his H22A swap. I know he loves it and all, and it does have potential, but it's NOT a guaranteed 13-second package.

Do you even know what a 13-second car feels like? What it takes?

Look, you want FACTORY looking ****, but then you say H22A, which requires a mount kit, and then you also say turbo the B16A...what's factory about that?

If you do decide H22A, then get the new Place Racing hard mount for the timing side engine mount - the stock one WILL keep breaking and squirting the mount fliud all over the place - again, the guy I was referring to above had the same problems.

BTW: Where's the B18C1 and B18C5 in this discussion?

Why not turbo a B18C1? Cost isn't much more than the B16A.


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Tom, that dudes car isn't even running right, he has check engine lights and shiet.

Stay away from Place Racing, Gil is a tard!


HASport is the place to get the goods!!
http://www.hasport.com/M92_H22.htm

 

Place Racing sucks, but that ONE mount they just came out with is nice. We put one on a guy's car because he kept tearing his factory mount.

As for the other guy's car: Now it's throwing all kinds of check engine lights, but when I rode in it it was NOT throwing a code!

Anf if it's throwing all, kinds of codes, would that not be another reason why to stay away from the H22A? I'll seriously try to find the guy and have him post on this thread. He has had a lot of trouble trying to get his car running good, so I'd think he'd have a unique look on this wholw deal. His SN is "H22A Medina"


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try the hybrid page for swap-related tech articles and info. That's where I first got hooked.

 

I think H22 swap is great...as long as it's done right. Many people have said they'll pulled low 14s/high13s in an EG with ease.

The only people i've heard of running horrible times with em are those that have bad installs.

Look at ImportReview's archived threads for some info on em. Here's one: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=45344

Well, whether i do a h22 or b18c1...i'm taking it to him...he knows what he's doing.

-Rod

 

Has anyone pulled off an H22 swap into an EG keeping a/c and ps? I live in Florida, so ps is expendable, a/c is not. Is it at ALL possible? and what about the trannies...are they all cable operated?

Sorry, I know alot 'bout civics. Know nothing about ludes

 

Yes, we've already been through that in a different post. LJ's car is now turboed with N02.