Please take notice of the joke entry "lottery system". WDCR knows how to ruin a good thing.


http://www.12hoursatthepoint.org

 

Larry, this and the "team agent" provision was done to help counterract companies entering multiple arrive & drive cars.

The obvious problem with the lottery is that you could end up w/ (as an example) 48 SM/SSM's , one ITA, one ITB, one ITC, one ITS, etc, essentially making anything but the overall win worthless.

I agree that it's a horrible solution but most of the others discussed sucked even more. It's unfortunate but since there are more potential entrants than there are track positions and the unwritten requirement that you needed a fax machine when registration opened there were just as many inequities in the old system.

 

Why not just do qualifying like ASSCAR? That way every1 has a shot based on speed not fax machines, computers, and lottery?

 

So the poor sap with the SSC car goes home?

There's no really GOOD way to deal with an oversubscribed event, since someone is going to get their feelings hurt, but a lottery is arguably the most equitable way to handle it.

Really, I wouldn't mind a postmark land rush deal if some people didn't submit multiple forms in one package. That's kind of like giving preferential pit space to the guy with one car in a huge transporter behind a million dollar mobile home, than the regular Joes get.

Either way, my intent form is filled out and sitting in my OUT basket.

K

 

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Why did I already know that?

 

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Well I think the entry numbers in each class will play out to however many entries there are from each class. That said maybe an even better way to do it is to guarantee a certain amount of spots for each class and lottery the entrants for those spots. So for instance there are 15 ITS registrations but 8 guaranteed spots. 8 out of those 15 will be drawn out of a hat or something, then the next 7 are in the general lottery. One would have to work the numbers out but that'd be a way to prevent an all Spec Miata enduro.

OTOH if most of the entrants are SM's then that means that's what people wanna race, why artificially change the result? Guess it depends on what your philosophy is.

 

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You wanna drag the whole kit & kaboodle necessary for a 12hr enduro to Summit for 20min on track, just to find you didn't make the big dance? Who are you qualifying against? Do you suggest allocating a fixed number of cars to each class? If there was only one class (and there's not), this might work ($$$$$ if everyone had Nascar team money $$$$$$$).

 

Great solution. I know of two teams who are already preparing 15 entries each in order to turn a large profit off of the 12 hr race. For the past two years, I have ran two cars in the event and have been successful in the race as well. My team has been in the event since it started. Now there's high chance I might not be able to make the show. I know life's not fair so I'm making contingency plans to run the 12 hrs at nelson ledges (exactly).

Maybe I should counter the entries with submitting 100 entries myself and take the chances with the lottery system? Buy my way in?

Hopefully next year the WDCR powers that be would look at the 24 hrs of Daytona model for holding a qualifying event a month prior to the race?

The team agent provision is easily by-passed. This idea was attempted already with the 24 Hrs of Daytona.

Anyways, Greg I know you are being helpful as always. I always take interest in your comments on everything said. I'm just not sure why this had to change. Capping the race to two cars per entrant would have been a great idea. This could be verified by the car's logbook.

This just made my holidays. Sponsors , signed and committed drivers now have to be contacted etc...

 

Thinking about this, WDCR missed a bet.

Each entry should have been for a car, rather than an "agent," and should have required a logbook number for submission. If only (a) one intent form were allowed per logbook, and (b) lotto winning intent forms were not transferable to other cars, they would have a much more workable solution.

K

 

I would agree and it was a point I brought up at the mtg but then you are presented with the problem that because of the long lead time between registration and the race that many times the car's buildup hasn't been completed and/or it hasn't been logbooked when registration opens.

I guess in this regard, the team agent/registrant/whatever could substitute another logbooked car if the originally intended one isn't ready or is damaged prior to the event.

BTW--If anyone has an open seat, I'm available.

 

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That's pretty anti-social, rude, and frankly discourteous. And we wonder why people cheat on their cars when they can't even follow the spirit of the basic rules of registration?

I suppose if you're a member of the Lucky Sperm Club and have $3000 laying around with nothing better to do with it, you're all set. The rest of us will have to hope that luck shines upon us and our single entry.

Merry Christmas.

 

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That's pretty anti-social, rude, and frankly discourteous. And we wonder why people cheat on their cars when they can't even follow the spirit of the basic rules of registration?

I suppose if you're a member of the Lucky Sperm Club and have $3000 laying around with nothing better to do with it, you're all set. The rest of us will have to hope that luck shines upon us and our single entry.

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My point exactly. What was soo wrong with the existing system? There were only 3 multiple car teams last year.