This guy makes a B-Series into an EF sound REALLY hard! Is this the case?
http://hybrid2.honda-perf.org/tech/4gtech.html
I was reading that article and the guys makes the B16A swap into a CRX sound like a real bitch. (He does call it the B16A1, but calls it JDM, which we all know is the B16A, so there's one instance he has made a mistake, so maybe this is another.)
I quote:
The B16A1 (160hp DOHC VTEC) from the JDM 90-91 Civic/CRX Si-Rs is being imported in small quantities. The B17A comes from the U.S. 92-93 Integra GS-R and the block is externally and internally identical to the B16A1 block. But they do not bolt in. The stock B16A powered CRX Si-R has many significant differences form the U.S. The most important thing to note, is that the driver's side motor mount is NOT in the same location as the U.S. Civic/CRX.
As you can see above, the Si-R B16A driver's side mount is closer to the front of the car. It is also wider, and beefier than the U.S. mount. The B-series mount is designed for a stronger motor, and I suspect that Honda must have put it in that location for a reason.
The other differences are that the passenger side mount, and the front and rear cross members are different. You can import the crossmembers, but the driver's side and pasenger's side mounts would have to be removed and new fabricated mounts welded in. So, contrary to what you may have heard, there is currently NO WAY to mount a B-seies motor in the same location as the factory, without a bolt in mount kit or welding in new mounts.
Keep in mind, that all B-series motor swaps that use the US drivers side mount will position the motor closer to the firewall than Honda intended.
The B16A1 is almost identical to the 160hp U.S. Del Sol VTEC (B16A2). The Del Sol motor does NOT bolt in either. Since the D-series transmissions are not compatible with the B-series motors, you should purchase the Y1 transmission along with the motor. If you can, buy the motor and transmission as a package, not separately. Some of the Y1s have the highly desirable factory LSD. LSD should be imprinted on the transmission casing, so search carefully. If a Y1 is not available, a 90-93 Integra LS transmission will work, but the gear ratios are not designed for the high rpm VTEC engine and will hurt acceleration. With either tranmission you will need to modify the shift linkage to fit. A few people have managed to get Si-R shift linkages from Japan and these work perfectly.
For engine control, you have three choices. Use a stock Si-R ecu, which requires some wiring changes. Use the stock Si ecu, reprogrammed for a higher red limit and the use a external rpm switch for VTEC activation. Or use a Del Sol VTEC engine harness and rewire the engine compartment and dash to use the Del Sol VTEC ecu. With either the Si-R or Del Sol ecu, note that there is a speed sensor in the transmission that tells the ecu that it is okay to activate the VTEC. If it doesn't see that signal, you get no VTEC and a slow motor. I am sure you can fool it if you know what you are doing. The Del Sol VTEC service manual should be able to guide you through the wiring. This can be the hardest wiring install, since you are combining the parts from three different cars (U.S. Civic, JDM/U.K. Civic, and Del Sol).
I was reading that article and the guys makes the B16A swap into a CRX sound like a real bitch. (He does call it the B16A1, but calls it JDM, which we all know is the B16A, so there's one instance he has made a mistake, so maybe this is another.)
I quote:
The B16A1 (160hp DOHC VTEC) from the JDM 90-91 Civic/CRX Si-Rs is being imported in small quantities. The B17A comes from the U.S. 92-93 Integra GS-R and the block is externally and internally identical to the B16A1 block. But they do not bolt in. The stock B16A powered CRX Si-R has many significant differences form the U.S. The most important thing to note, is that the driver's side motor mount is NOT in the same location as the U.S. Civic/CRX.
As you can see above, the Si-R B16A driver's side mount is closer to the front of the car. It is also wider, and beefier than the U.S. mount. The B-series mount is designed for a stronger motor, and I suspect that Honda must have put it in that location for a reason.
The other differences are that the passenger side mount, and the front and rear cross members are different. You can import the crossmembers, but the driver's side and pasenger's side mounts would have to be removed and new fabricated mounts welded in. So, contrary to what you may have heard, there is currently NO WAY to mount a B-seies motor in the same location as the factory, without a bolt in mount kit or welding in new mounts.
Keep in mind, that all B-series motor swaps that use the US drivers side mount will position the motor closer to the firewall than Honda intended.
The B16A1 is almost identical to the 160hp U.S. Del Sol VTEC (B16A2). The Del Sol motor does NOT bolt in either. Since the D-series transmissions are not compatible with the B-series motors, you should purchase the Y1 transmission along with the motor. If you can, buy the motor and transmission as a package, not separately. Some of the Y1s have the highly desirable factory LSD. LSD should be imprinted on the transmission casing, so search carefully. If a Y1 is not available, a 90-93 Integra LS transmission will work, but the gear ratios are not designed for the high rpm VTEC engine and will hurt acceleration. With either tranmission you will need to modify the shift linkage to fit. A few people have managed to get Si-R shift linkages from Japan and these work perfectly.
For engine control, you have three choices. Use a stock Si-R ecu, which requires some wiring changes. Use the stock Si ecu, reprogrammed for a higher red limit and the use a external rpm switch for VTEC activation. Or use a Del Sol VTEC engine harness and rewire the engine compartment and dash to use the Del Sol VTEC ecu. With either the Si-R or Del Sol ecu, note that there is a speed sensor in the transmission that tells the ecu that it is okay to activate the VTEC. If it doesn't see that signal, you get no VTEC and a slow motor. I am sure you can fool it if you know what you are doing. The Del Sol VTEC service manual should be able to guide you through the wiring. This can be the hardest wiring install, since you are combining the parts from three different cars (U.S. Civic, JDM/U.K. Civic, and Del Sol).
hahahha. that's an old *** article written when mount kits were just coming out.
hybrids.jp rulez!!
yeah, its not hard at all. everyone knows how now.
hybrids.jp rulez!!
yeah, its not hard at all. everyone knows how now.
yeah this is so commonly done now that all tought modificiations and such have been simplified and made easy by companies. a b series swap can be done quickly, without many problems. Its really just a step by step process. I think when workign wiht my swap, having an axel nut get completely stuck on was the thing that set us back the most. we ended up remvoing the entire knuckle and pulling the axel out with the brake assembly. but, i was actualyl swappign form b series to d series, which took about 10 hours of work.
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LOL Yea that is what I was doing and came across this article and it kinda threw me off...
Thanks for all the input.
</TD></TR></TABLE>LOL Yea that is what I was doing and came across this article and it kinda threw me off...
Thanks for all the input.
Hey man I just think it is cool that you actually went out and searched...props to you
Hey this is a good article, look at this one http://www.azracemachine.com/8891Instruct.htm
Hey this is a good article, look at this one http://www.azracemachine.com/8891Instruct.htm
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