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Old Dec 11, 2004 | 08:28 PM
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Default "Keying" the crank...same effect as cam gears?

Lets say you moved the crank key 2 degrees.....Would that have the same effect as adjusting a cam gear 2 degrees? Or is there a formula that I am missing here?

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Old Dec 11, 2004 | 10:21 PM
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Default Re: "Keying" the crank...same effect as cam gears? (jisu009)

you have to rotate the crank 2 rotations for 1 rotation of the cams.
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Old Dec 12, 2004 | 12:04 PM
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Exactly what I was looking for....

So 2 degrees of the crank is 1 degree of the cam. Is the the exact conversion? Can you explain "why" that conversion applies?

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Old Dec 12, 2004 | 12:42 PM
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Default Re: "Keying" the crank...same effect as cam gears? (jisu009)

It's a 4 stroke motor, so the piston has to go up and down 4 times for one cycle. The cams must rotate at half that speed to work, so the gear on the crank has half the number of teeth as the cam gears.
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Old Dec 12, 2004 | 01:37 PM
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Default Re: "Keying" the crank...same effect as cam gears? (drdisco69)

So the ratio is exactly 2:1...correct?

When the crank is "keyed" do they weld the key channel and then machine a new channel? Or is the existing channel filed or made "wider" by some other means?

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Old Dec 12, 2004 | 01:45 PM
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Default Re: "Keying" the crank...same effect as cam gears? (jisu009)

Oh yes there is a gear, what do you think the timing belt is turned by?
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Old Dec 12, 2004 | 01:47 PM
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Default Re: "Keying" the crank...same effect as cam gears? (drdisco69)

yeah...I edited that when I went out to the garage....

I counted 38 teeth on the cam and 19 on the crank gear....

2:1 sounds right to me!




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Old Dec 12, 2004 | 01:50 PM
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Default Re: "Keying" the crank...same effect as cam gears? (jisu009)

I figured it was just a little brain fart.

Yeah, it's 2:1. For it to be 1:1, the lobes on the cam would have to take up 1/4 of the circumference of the cam, instead of the 1/2 they do now. That is obvioustly a terrible design, which is why cams are made like they are for like 100 years.

And I hope you counted 34 on the cam gears and 18 on the crank gear...
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Old Dec 12, 2004 | 02:22 PM
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38 on the cam

19 on the crank

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Old Dec 12, 2004 | 02:38 PM
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Default Re: "Keying" the crank...same effect as cam gears? (jisu009)

Wierd, I just counted the one off my B16, and it's got 18. But 38:19 is 2:1, so I dunno. I don't feel like digging my cam gears out from under the rest of the head to count, but I believe you.
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Old Dec 12, 2004 | 10:01 PM
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Default Re: "Keying" the crank...same effect as cam gears? (drdisco69)

I suppose you don't actully modify the crank, but instead you modify or have a new gear made for the crank?

Anyone know where to have this piece made....or has anyone ever done this?

Yes I know there is an easier way...but I have my reasons.


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