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It is also a huge benefit to a sponsor to race in front of the fanbase that the JGTC race will bring in. ALMS, Grand-Am, SCCA, etc. don't know how/don't care to pull in the kinds of fans that this race will attract.
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Im pretty sure that they are talking about current established road racing cars.
Im pretty sure that they are talking about current established road racing cars.
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Sean,
I spent some time in Japan and watched a few JGTC races there in 1997. The cars, even back then, were astonishing.
I assume you are referring to SWC GT cars vs. JGTC cars. No contest, the GT500 cars would utterly destroy SWC cars. The GT500 class cars are even faster than the FIA GT class cars (think LeMans Ferrari 550's and Corvette CR5's). Lap times at Sepang for the top GT500 cars was nearly 3 seconds per lap faster than the FIA spec 550's that did an endurance race there earlier in the year.
A GT500 car weighs at least 800 pounds less than the lightest SWC cars and over 1000 pounds less than heavier cars like the Audi and Viper. Minimum weight on a GT500 class car is 2310 vs. the average weight of most SWC cars in the 3000 pound area. FIA GT cars must weigh in the 2600 pound region.
I was reading somewhere that the GT500 cars have less weight restrictions than the FIA cars and make more power (ignore the 500 hp rule, no one adhears to it). I think that's why the Lambo GTR, McLaren F1 (granted it's getting rather old) and the lone Ferrari 550 are all getting creamed by the Skylines and Supras.
Race Tech Engineering magazine had an article on the current GT500's and noted that the cars are practically LMP cars with production silouete bodies. The suspensions on these cars, unlike SWC and FIA, have nothing in common with their street cousins.
I doubt the SWC cars could even be competitive against the slower GT300 class cars (which is a misnomer since none make even close to 300 hp). GT300 class cars include 996 GT3RS's, Ferrari 360's, Scoobys (very slow), and the class winning MR2's (forget anything you know about the MR2). Rules dictate no more than 300 hp but no one believes these numbers (similar to the 280 hp street car rules).
Regards,
Jon P. Kofod
Sean,
I spent some time in Japan and watched a few JGTC races there in 1997. The cars, even back then, were astonishing.
I assume you are referring to SWC GT cars vs. JGTC cars. No contest, the GT500 cars would utterly destroy SWC cars. The GT500 class cars are even faster than the FIA GT class cars (think LeMans Ferrari 550's and Corvette CR5's). Lap times at Sepang for the top GT500 cars was nearly 3 seconds per lap faster than the FIA spec 550's that did an endurance race there earlier in the year.
A GT500 car weighs at least 800 pounds less than the lightest SWC cars and over 1000 pounds less than heavier cars like the Audi and Viper. Minimum weight on a GT500 class car is 2310 vs. the average weight of most SWC cars in the 3000 pound area. FIA GT cars must weigh in the 2600 pound region.
I was reading somewhere that the GT500 cars have less weight restrictions than the FIA cars and make more power (ignore the 500 hp rule, no one adhears to it). I think that's why the Lambo GTR, McLaren F1 (granted it's getting rather old) and the lone Ferrari 550 are all getting creamed by the Skylines and Supras.
Race Tech Engineering magazine had an article on the current GT500's and noted that the cars are practically LMP cars with production silouete bodies. The suspensions on these cars, unlike SWC and FIA, have nothing in common with their street cousins.
I doubt the SWC cars could even be competitive against the slower GT300 class cars (which is a misnomer since none make even close to 300 hp). GT300 class cars include 996 GT3RS's, Ferrari 360's, Scoobys (very slow), and the class winning MR2's (forget anything you know about the MR2). Rules dictate no more than 300 hp but no one believes these numbers (similar to the 280 hp street car rules).
Regards,
Jon P. Kofod
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Oh, I know the SWC GT cars would get destroyed by the JGTC machinery, but I was talking about how they'd compare vs. other US entries such as 911 GT3s, or how their lap times would compare to the times turned in the Grand-Am race a few months back.
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I've always been fascinated by the JGTC, more so now (2nd paragraph). But I would not completely right off some of the WC GT cars if they came out to play. Keep in mind, since the rules are basically free team Champion or team Cadillac could show up with cars to this race that would run circles around the WC GT car (100+ hp, light weight, etc). An unrestricted (possibly even sooped up and lightened) RS6 or Cadillac WC GT car would have no problems running in GT300 on slicks.
Now the interesting part and JGTC experts please chime in if any of this is incorrect. I've looked a little through what kind of cars run in the GT500 and GT300 classes and it's quite interesting. In GT300 they have naturally aspirated but stroked 3.4L V6 NSXs, 3 rotor powered RX7s, and a bunch of 2.0L turbo Celicas, MRSs and Silvias. They also have the GT3RS (as opposed to a Cup car) listed in here as well, which is kind of strange. If these Porsches are anything like the ALMS GT3RSs making close to 500 hp, either the GT300 cars are on some serious steroids (especially the 2.0L cars) or they slowed the GT3RS down. Now the cool part is that the GT500 field is mostly filled with 3.0L twin turbo V6 NSXs, (VQ30) twin turbo V6 350Zs, and 4.5L V8 powered Supras. At least the 550 Maranello still sticks with something close to the stock configuration motor lol. And looking at the body work and suspension of these cars, they are some serious pieces of hardware. Would love to see how a top GT500 car would compare against some of the current GTS class Le Mans cars.
Now the interesting part and JGTC experts please chime in if any of this is incorrect. I've looked a little through what kind of cars run in the GT500 and GT300 classes and it's quite interesting. In GT300 they have naturally aspirated but stroked 3.4L V6 NSXs, 3 rotor powered RX7s, and a bunch of 2.0L turbo Celicas, MRSs and Silvias. They also have the GT3RS (as opposed to a Cup car) listed in here as well, which is kind of strange. If these Porsches are anything like the ALMS GT3RSs making close to 500 hp, either the GT300 cars are on some serious steroids (especially the 2.0L cars) or they slowed the GT3RS down. Now the cool part is that the GT500 field is mostly filled with 3.0L twin turbo V6 NSXs, (VQ30) twin turbo V6 350Zs, and 4.5L V8 powered Supras. At least the 550 Maranello still sticks with something close to the stock configuration motor lol. And looking at the body work and suspension of these cars, they are some serious pieces of hardware. Would love to see how a top GT500 car would compare against some of the current GTS class Le Mans cars.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hracer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've always been fascinated by the JGTC, more so now (2nd paragraph). But I would not completely right off some of the WC GT cars if they came out to play. Keep in mind, since the rules are basically free team Champion or team Cadillac could show up with cars to this race that would run circles around the WC GT car (100+ hp, light weight, etc). An unrestricted (possibly even sooped up and lightened) RS6 or Cadillac WC GT car would have no problems running in GT300 on slicks.
Now the interesting part and JGTC experts please chime in if any of this is incorrect. I've looked a little through what kind of cars run in the GT500 and GT300 classes and it's quite interesting. In GT300 they have naturally aspirated but stroked 3.4L V6 NSXs, 3 rotor powered RX7s, and a bunch of 2.0L turbo Celicas, MRSs and Silvias. They also have the GT3RS (as opposed to a Cup car) listed in here as well, which is kind of strange. If these Porsches are anything like the ALMS GT3RSs making close to 500 hp, either the GT300 cars are on some serious steroids (especially the 2.0L cars) or they slowed the GT3RS down. Now the cool part is that the GT500 field is mostly filled with 3.0L twin turbo V6 NSXs, (VQ30) twin turbo V6 350Zs, and 4.5L V8 powered Supras. At least the 550 Maranello still sticks with something close to the stock configuration motor lol. And looking at the body work and suspension of these cars, they are some serious pieces of hardware. Would love to see how a top GT500 car would compare against some of the current GTS class Le Mans cars.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Alex,
JGTC regs allow for any engine that is manufactured for another car of the same marque as long as it's homologated for racing. That means the Supra can use the V8 from the Land Cruiser or the V8 from the Lexus LS400.
The 360's and 996 RSR's have to run additonal weight and use different restrictors to run in GT300. This makes them less competitive and even (sometimes slower) than the MR2's and Silvias.
the fastest time recorded in this years JGTC race at Sepang was by the Takata Dome NSX in the GT500 class, with the fastest time of 2:00.523. One of the Japanese privateer teams tested a 550 at the same track in January (former JMB FIA GT LeMans car) and got a best of 2:05.XX (conditions obviously could play a part as well as the driver). They are pretty even but from what I have read the GT500's would actually be quicker than the FIA GTS class cars (assuming equal drivers).
Here is a short summary run down of the tech. regs of JGTC: http://www.jgtc.net/race/whats/04t_regu_en.htm
Regards,
Jon
Now the interesting part and JGTC experts please chime in if any of this is incorrect. I've looked a little through what kind of cars run in the GT500 and GT300 classes and it's quite interesting. In GT300 they have naturally aspirated but stroked 3.4L V6 NSXs, 3 rotor powered RX7s, and a bunch of 2.0L turbo Celicas, MRSs and Silvias. They also have the GT3RS (as opposed to a Cup car) listed in here as well, which is kind of strange. If these Porsches are anything like the ALMS GT3RSs making close to 500 hp, either the GT300 cars are on some serious steroids (especially the 2.0L cars) or they slowed the GT3RS down. Now the cool part is that the GT500 field is mostly filled with 3.0L twin turbo V6 NSXs, (VQ30) twin turbo V6 350Zs, and 4.5L V8 powered Supras. At least the 550 Maranello still sticks with something close to the stock configuration motor lol. And looking at the body work and suspension of these cars, they are some serious pieces of hardware. Would love to see how a top GT500 car would compare against some of the current GTS class Le Mans cars.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Alex,
JGTC regs allow for any engine that is manufactured for another car of the same marque as long as it's homologated for racing. That means the Supra can use the V8 from the Land Cruiser or the V8 from the Lexus LS400.
The 360's and 996 RSR's have to run additonal weight and use different restrictors to run in GT300. This makes them less competitive and even (sometimes slower) than the MR2's and Silvias.
the fastest time recorded in this years JGTC race at Sepang was by the Takata Dome NSX in the GT500 class, with the fastest time of 2:00.523. One of the Japanese privateer teams tested a 550 at the same track in January (former JMB FIA GT LeMans car) and got a best of 2:05.XX (conditions obviously could play a part as well as the driver). They are pretty even but from what I have read the GT500's would actually be quicker than the FIA GTS class cars (assuming equal drivers).
Here is a short summary run down of the tech. regs of JGTC: http://www.jgtc.net/race/whats/04t_regu_en.htm
Regards,
Jon
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hracer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">4.5L V8 powered Supras</TD></TR></TABLE>
JGTC Supras used to run 4-cyl turbocharged engine. Did they change to 4.5L V8?
JGTC Supras used to run 4-cyl turbocharged engine. Did they change to 4.5L V8?
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From Eibach? Is Mr. David Royce driving it?
</TD></TR></TABLE>From Eibach? Is Mr. David Royce driving it?
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Sean,
I spent some time in Japan and watched a few JGTC races there in 1997. The cars, even back then, were astonishing.
I assume you are referring to SWC GT cars vs. JGTC cars. No contest, the GT500 cars would utterly destroy SWC cars. The GT500 class cars are even faster than the FIA GT class cars (think LeMans Ferrari 550's and Corvette CR5's). Lap times at Sepang for the top GT500 cars was nearly 3 seconds per lap faster than the FIA spec 550's that did an endurance race there earlier in the year.
A GT500 car weighs at least 800 pounds less than the lightest SWC cars and over 1000 pounds less than heavier cars like the Audi and Viper. Minimum weight on a GT500 class car is 2310 vs. the average weight of most SWC cars in the 3000 pound area. FIA GT cars must weigh in the 2600 pound region.
I was reading somewhere that the GT500 cars have less weight restrictions than the FIA cars and make more power (ignore the 500 hp rule, no one adhears to it). I think that's why the Lambo GTR, McLaren F1 (granted it's getting rather old) and the lone Ferrari 550 are all getting creamed by the Skylines and Supras.
Race Tech Engineering magazine had an article on the current GT500's and noted that the cars are practically LMP cars with production silouete bodies. The suspensions on these cars, unlike SWC and FIA, have nothing in common with their street cousins.
I doubt the SWC cars could even be competitive against the slower GT300 class cars (which is a misnomer since none make even close to 300 hp). GT300 class cars include 996 GT3RS's, Ferrari 360's, Scoobys (very slow), and the class winning MR2's (forget anything you know about the MR2). Rules dictate no more than 300 hp but no one believes these numbers (similar to the 280 hp street car rules).
Regards,
Jon P. Kofod
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so they don' thave the same engine or suspension or, well, anything as the factory cars..... thats just stupid
its as bad as Nascar..... I don't see any V8 carb RWD Taurus's around...
Sean,
I spent some time in Japan and watched a few JGTC races there in 1997. The cars, even back then, were astonishing.
I assume you are referring to SWC GT cars vs. JGTC cars. No contest, the GT500 cars would utterly destroy SWC cars. The GT500 class cars are even faster than the FIA GT class cars (think LeMans Ferrari 550's and Corvette CR5's). Lap times at Sepang for the top GT500 cars was nearly 3 seconds per lap faster than the FIA spec 550's that did an endurance race there earlier in the year.
A GT500 car weighs at least 800 pounds less than the lightest SWC cars and over 1000 pounds less than heavier cars like the Audi and Viper. Minimum weight on a GT500 class car is 2310 vs. the average weight of most SWC cars in the 3000 pound area. FIA GT cars must weigh in the 2600 pound region.
I was reading somewhere that the GT500 cars have less weight restrictions than the FIA cars and make more power (ignore the 500 hp rule, no one adhears to it). I think that's why the Lambo GTR, McLaren F1 (granted it's getting rather old) and the lone Ferrari 550 are all getting creamed by the Skylines and Supras.
Race Tech Engineering magazine had an article on the current GT500's and noted that the cars are practically LMP cars with production silouete bodies. The suspensions on these cars, unlike SWC and FIA, have nothing in common with their street cousins.
I doubt the SWC cars could even be competitive against the slower GT300 class cars (which is a misnomer since none make even close to 300 hp). GT300 class cars include 996 GT3RS's, Ferrari 360's, Scoobys (very slow), and the class winning MR2's (forget anything you know about the MR2). Rules dictate no more than 300 hp but no one believes these numbers (similar to the 280 hp street car rules).
Regards,
Jon P. Kofod
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so they don' thave the same engine or suspension or, well, anything as the factory cars..... thats just stupid
its as bad as Nascar..... I don't see any V8 carb RWD Taurus's around...
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so they don' thave the same engine or suspension or, well, anything as the factory cars..... thats just stupid
its as bad as Nascar..... I don't see any V8 carb RWD Taurus's around...</TD></TR></TABLE>
funny you say that...
I like the GT Senshuu Ken or JGTC as it is called in English. If possible I even make the two hour trip to watch the races in person at TWM. Also I try to watch the weekly TV show if I am home on Sunday afternoons. (I live in Tokyo) Well, in last week's show Nissan CEO Carlos Gohsn (sp?) was interviewed on the grid of the final race at Suzuka. Nissan was in a position to win the championship and of course that provides a marketing opportunity. Any way Mr Gohsn. was talking about how the cars were close to what you can buy on the showroom floor. I started laughing. Of course he has to say those kinds of things, so people can find some link between the race cars and the car you buy. Not every car buyer is a race fan. Win on Sunday sell on Monday. IN the meantime, enjoy the sights and sounds of JGTC!
so they don' thave the same engine or suspension or, well, anything as the factory cars..... thats just stupid
its as bad as Nascar..... I don't see any V8 carb RWD Taurus's around...</TD></TR></TABLE>
funny you say that...
I like the GT Senshuu Ken or JGTC as it is called in English. If possible I even make the two hour trip to watch the races in person at TWM. Also I try to watch the weekly TV show if I am home on Sunday afternoons. (I live in Tokyo) Well, in last week's show Nissan CEO Carlos Gohsn (sp?) was interviewed on the grid of the final race at Suzuka. Nissan was in a position to win the championship and of course that provides a marketing opportunity. Any way Mr Gohsn. was talking about how the cars were close to what you can buy on the showroom floor. I started laughing. Of course he has to say those kinds of things, so people can find some link between the race cars and the car you buy. Not every car buyer is a race fan. Win on Sunday sell on Monday. IN the meantime, enjoy the sights and sounds of JGTC!
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I hate all of you that get to go
I thought long and hard about just carding (credit carding that is) the trip to go down there and watch...but my conscience got the best of me.
Hopefully they come back next year...
I thought long and hard about just carding (credit carding that is) the trip to go down there and watch...but my conscience got the best of me.
Hopefully they come back next year...
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