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Old Dec 1, 2004 | 10:09 AM
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Am I on crack or something or does the Skunk2 Reps not have a clue? Is it asking too much for specification to degree in their cams? Does it make any sense to anyone to "use the stock specs for your engine", when the cams you are replacing have different durations? I have been trying to acquire cam degreeing specifications for the Skunk2 Stage 1 cams, and they 1) send me their spec sheet which does not contain degreeing specs or 2) they tell me to use the stock specs, neither of which answer my question.

Here is are a few emails from correspondance with Skunk2:


-----Original Message-----
From: info [mailto:info@skunk2.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 12:43 PM
To: Pendleton, Bryan P.
Subject: RE: Cam Instructions

Sir, you dial them in to the stock specs. There really isn't much more
to it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Pendleton, Bryan P. [mailto:Bryan.Pendleton@bakerhughes.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 10:34 AM
To: info@skunk2.com
Subject: RE: Cam Instructions

So you are saying that the 1mm valve lift degreeing specifications on
your B-series stage 1 cams are the same as the following B-series motors
which all have their own unique cam degreeing specs?

B16a
JDM B16b
B18c1
B18c5
JDM B18c

I understand that the Stage 1 in not an aggressive cam, but between belt
tolerance, adjustable cam gear tolerances, and cam tolerances, I would
like to degree the cams in to a specific specification. This includes
knowing what the valve lift should be relative to crank position. And
without some direction from the manufacturer of the cam, I am shooting
in the dark.

Bryan Pendleton


-----Original Message-----
From: info [mailto:info@skunk2.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:49 AM
To: Pendleton, Bryan P.
Subject: RE: Cam Instructions

For the Stage 1 cams you need to use the honda specs of the motor you
are
using. The stage 1 cams are not aggressive enough to require different
degree specs.

Brandon Minor
Sales Representative
Group-A Autosports/Skunk2 Racing
Phone# 951-808-9888
Fax# 951-808-9889


-----Original Message-----
From: Pendleton, Bryan P. [mailto:Bryan.Pendleton@bakerhughes.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 6:10 AM
To: info@skunk2.com
Subject: RE: Cam Instructions

The "cam instructions" do not provide the information necessary to
degree the cams in. I was then told to use "HONDA SPECS". This does
not tell me anything because "Honda specs" vary from engine to engine.
I would like specific specifications for degreeing the Stage I cams.

Bryan Pendleton


-----Original Message-----
From: info [mailto:info@skunk2.com]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:36 AM
To: Pendleton, Bryan P.
Subject: RE: Cam Instructions

Here are the cam instructions.

Brandon Minor
Sales Representative
Group-A Autosports/Skunk2 Racing
Phone# 951-808-9888
Fax# 951-808-9889


-----Original Message-----
From: Pendleton, Bryan P. [mailto:Bryan.Pendleton@bakerhughes.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 11:39 AM
To: tmiyamoto@skunk2.com
Subject: RE: Cam Instructions


Tony,

What are the Stage 1 Cam Specs for degreeing the cams (ie. Valve opening
and closing angle relative piston position)?

Bryan Pendleton


-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Miyamoto [mailto:tmiyamoto@skunk2.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:02 PM
To: Pendleton, Bryan P.
Subject: Cam Instructions

Bryan,

Let me know if this works!


Best Regards,
Tony Miyamoto
Account Executive
Group-A Autosports/Skunk2 Racing
2050 5th St. Norco, CA 92860 USA
PH. 909-808-9888 Ext. 200
FX. 909-808-9889
TMiyamoto@skunk2.com
http://www.skunk2.com
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Old Dec 1, 2004 | 10:42 AM
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Default Re: Skunk2 Debacle (BryanPendleton)

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=756869

there are a couple good links in there for cam specs, also can you explain the purpose/reason/benefit of degreeing in camshafts?
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Old Dec 1, 2004 | 11:48 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PreStaged12s &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=756869

there are a couple good links in there for cam specs, also can you explain the purpose/reason/benefit of degreeing in camshafts?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Apparently others have been met with the same answer from Skunk2 on their Stage 1 cams, per that link. The purpose, reason and benefit of degreeing camshafts is to tweak the crank and cam sychronization so that the valves are opening and closing at the correct time per the manufacturers specifications. This should ensure the best output (ie. maximum average power) for that particular cam, though not always. You need to know when the valves should open and close (and at what height measured) per the position of the crank. Without degreeing cams you are basically blindly installling your cams, or you are letting the tolerances dictate your cam and crank sychronization, which may be off from recommended specifications.




Modified by BryanPendleton at 2:58 PM 12/1/2004
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Old Dec 1, 2004 | 01:47 PM
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Default Re: Skunk2 Debacle (BryanPendleton)

Cool, that is a better explanitaion for me than the machine shop I had build my motor, I had my cams degreed in on my motor when the shop put the motor together for me, the reason they did this though was because I was having a compression problem, so to make a long story short, I had the block decked to 0 deck which was kinda risky from what I was told so they degreed the cams to make sure there was no piston to valve contact as a result of the block being decked that much.
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