I have got the lap belts mounted along with the sub-strap but I can not come up with a clever way to mount the shoulder belts. I am working with a Simpson camlock. Thanks in advance.

Cliff

 

If you're using these for track events or anything of that ilk, you'll want to mount them to the harness crossbar on your rollbar which you should have in order to make 5pt belts safe in a rollover situation. For autocross, I would mount them off the upper rear seatbelt mounts. 00R101 has a nice clip-in setup, but I don't recall the exact hardware he used for this and the post has been incinerated into the Honda-Tech archives where it refuses to resurface via the search function. I want to say he used D rings and some sort of heavy-duty snap-rings that clip onto the eyebolt holes. Hopefully he can elucidate.

 

I know you're not trying to mount this off the stock locations, right? Right!?!?

Warren

 

I removed the rear shoulder belt mount and replaced it with an exteced length eye hook. Then I use snap rings to connect the shoulder harnesses. I would not use it for track events. Instead I would get a 4 or more point roll bar and mount to that.

You can probably get all the hardware you need from Racerwholesale. I bought mine from Stable Energies where I bought my harnesses (they are expensive but they gave me exactly what I needed first time) http://www.stableenergies.com/deist/deist.html

Regards,
Alan

 

I hope your mounting it to a roll bar / roll cage. If your not, DO NOT use the harness! Your HEAD becomes the roll bar incase of an accident. good luck

Bryan

 

Guys, maybe he's just autoxing. IMO it's safer to be strapped in "incorrectly" (in a roadrace point of view) because chances of flipping over in autox are a lot less than being thrown around in your seat and losing control.

And you might try using the two rear seatbelt bolts because it would be about a 45degree angle.


[Modified by Todd00, 10:19 AM 12/31/2001]

 

Mine are mounted as follows:

- Shoulder harness is a Y-Belt and it is bolted to the rear seatbelt receiver bolt and comes up over my cage
- left lap belt is in the front seatbelt hole in the side of the door sill
- Right lap belt is in a hole I drilled through the floor
- Front 2 sub points are bolted to the front seat track bolts

If you are autocrossing ONLY then it is ok to use the harness without rollover protection. If you run the car on track AT ALL then you need to either get a bar/cage or not use the harness.

 

I still would “ not ” recommend a harness for ANY kind of driving, unless a roll bar, or cage is being used. There is always a chance of a roll over, in AutoX, or just everyday driving.

Sticking to my guns on this one

Bryan

 

Here is a convenient place to mount the shoulder straps

 

Can you please post a picture from the inside of the car showing where the rear monuts go through plastic interior...

 

I have driven my GSR at quite a few driver schools with the factor seat belt. The only thing that sucks is I have leather and I spend a lot of time trying to keep myself in the seat. I totally understand the risk of mounting the shoulder harnesses low and how you can be pinched in the result of a roll over. So I figure if I mount both shoulder belts to clip on an eye-bolt of the same length as factory. You can buy snap hooks that will clip the belts to the eye. It looks extemely safe to me. I plan on getting at least a 4pt bar soon so no worries.

What kind of roll bar would you guys recommend. I have a Kirk Racing in my CRX and it is pretty nice but I had to weld it in. I would like to get something bolt in that is nice quailty and that is not cromoly<--spelt wrong I know

Thanks,
Cliff

95 (gifted) Integra GSR
88 (on vacation) ITA CRX Si

 

Well, you will see that most serious autocrossers use harness belts, and most do not have rollbars. That said, yes, there still is the chance for a rollover, but like Todd said, being strapped into the car better to help you keep it under control is probably a better trade off. I know a guy that rolled a Scirroco (spelling?) at Nationals and he said his Scroth 4 point helped him avoid injury. The roof didnt cave in, because it was a roll at slower speeds than what you'd see on a road course.

For the record, I would NEVER use my harness setup on the street or road course, however. With a rollbar, yes, but not without one.

 

If you were talking to me, here's all the pics you want from a how-to article I wrote:
http://www.itrca.com/faq/mod_autopower_rollbar.asp

And here's the one you wanted:





[Modified by ITR#231, 12:47 PM 12/31/2001]

 

I'll put my .02 in here, for what it's worth.
If most of you are saying that you'd not wear harnesses without a roll-bar or roll-cage, then I'm going to assume that you'd NEVER run your car on a road course without a roll-bar or cage period.
If a driver is running his/her car on the road course without a roll-bar/cage, he/she would still be better protected (and more stable in your seat) with the 4 or 5 point harnesses than you would be with just the factory 3 point belts.
For those of us who use our daily drivers for several HPDS events/year, a roll-bar/cage is not very practical. That said, I would DEFINITELY feel more comfortable on the track knowing that I have more protection from roll-over than just the factory's roof structure; however, if I didn't have the bar/cage and I wanted to be held in my seat and provide better belts than stock, I don't see a major problem with running harnesses with proper installation (say, with a harness bar that is mounted to the driver and passenger b-pillar mounts.
Am I out-of-line here? I would think that this would be a better setup than 3-pt factory belts alone...
<commence firing>
Adam

 

You rule thanks!

 

not firing, just clarifying.

Adam, the issue isn't proper installation or spreading the belts during impact. The issue as some have eluded to is that in the event of a roll, your head becomes the highest non-flexible point on the car - with a roll bar, that is the highest non-flexible point. I am saying flexible b/c with you strapped into the seat by a 5-pt, you cannot move your head and upper body to avoid being crushed thus the high risk of spinal compression or worse, death. With the factory 3-pt, you have no issue moving your body towards the center of the car to avoid being crushed. On this board, there was an instructor and student that rolled at SP earlier this year and to look at the car, you would be shocked to find that they were both ok and both were wearing factory 3-pts in a BMW M3 (? model). The car looked like a 3 series convertible with the top down and no A pillar afterwards.

 

I also was under the impressiom that the bucket (non-adj.) seat was the thing to avoid if you were going to be on-track with no rollover protection.

 

Hi Adam-
Was just reading other post on this forum on this rollbar/cage topic - very good point that I didn't consider.
The head and neck just don't absorb impact quite like a steel roll bar/cage will...
And you're right, when strapped into the car, you can't "duck". You do have much better control when strapped in though. Guess my next investment should be a roll-bar and harnesses (along with wheels/tires). Anybody want to lend me some $$$ ??

 

I can't remember your seats but if they are leather, here is a tip from Dan Unkefer that I thought was excellent. Take that rolled liner stuff you get for a throw rug and cut it into sections for your seats. It is amazing how much it keeps you in place. Also, either Racer Wholesale or OG Racing have torso straps. It just holds your body against the seat from the ribcage or so down - potentially still a risk - I'd want some more info on them before using them.

 

Thanks Brett...that's what I was getting at. If I roll over at an autox event, that's my fault and I only risk injury to myself. If someone gets out of control because they slip out of their seat while pulling 1 G on a corner and starts heading for cornerworkers and can't hit the brakes (or worse stabs the accelerator), then that's something that should have been prevented by having a harness.

If you are autoxing, GET A HARNESS! You'll not only turn quicker times, you'll be totally in control of your car.

 

Not everyone is as nutty as you are behind the wheel.

Bryan