What are all The UPS and DOWNS Of Running all motor????

 

search. There is so much infor on this already. Once you get a more specific question repost and we will be glad to help.

 

Pro: You can say it's all motor. It's lightweight. You don't have to do much custom work. It's the way Honda intended the motor to make power (whatever that means).

Cons: It costs a shitload of money to get past 200whp. You will have to rev very high. You will be very loud. You will need to be very light to go fast, because you will have low torque. In the end you will probably get beat by a boosted car that spent half as much.

 

Cons: It costs a shitload of money to get past 200whp. You will have to rev very high. You will be very loud. You will need to be very light to go fast, because you will have low torque. In the end you will probably get beat by a boosted car that spent half as much.[/QUOTE]

its going to cost less in the long run with n/a....say you spend 3Gs plus on ur turbo set up and guess what you still have a stock motor that isnt going to last for ****. n/a kicks *** you dont need 300+whp to run good numbers. its all about getting the power to the ground

 

Ive done turbo setups in the past. Soo much maintenance, overly way more expensive, not useful in stoplight to stoplight battles. NA is cheaper when done properly. Average turbo kit is around 3500. For 3500 you can build your b16a or b18c to run 12's NA all day. Maybe even high 11's. Unless your staying single cam then F/I is the way to go.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CallMeJesus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so i could take $3,000 and get around 240 hp out of it. for $10,000 i could wring a devastating 300 all motor ponies that would beat a comparative turbo b16a. it all breaks down to machine work, tuning, and using the proper parts in conjuction with each other. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I would like to see those part lists.

You crack me up man. Your always amped up on something... coffee, coke, no doze, crack. Get some sleep man or take a nap. +

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CallMeJesus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have a vegas resident saying unless your runnin a single cam, turbo is not the way to go. got news for ya TurbLu, i have an all motor d16z6 runnin 200 hp on the streets, and the only aftermarket parts are a TB, Intake, and Cam. in fact, a friend and i put out the baddest engines in the valley. we did an h22 that looked so good most people thought Honda did it.
ok, nuff with the shameless plug.

91efhatch couldnt build a lego's engine, let alone a real ****** engine, so dont listen to him. i can take a b16a with $1,000 and get 200hp out of it. so i could take $3,000 and get around 240 hp out of it. for $10,000 i could wring a devastating 300 all motor ponies that would beat a comparative turbo b16a. it all breaks down to machine work, tuning, and using the proper parts in conjuction with each other. </TD></TR></TABLE>

lol. OMG. what a joke. 200 WHP on a D16Z6 with just those few parts? Yeah ok....... Keep dreaming. I am willing to bet your bad little D16 won't even touch my "must be slow" 170ish WHP H22 hatch. Timeslips where are they ????? U obviously have no idea what u are talking about.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CallMeJesus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have a vegas resident saying unless your runnin a single cam, turbo is not the way to go. got news for ya TurbLu, i have an all motor d16z6 runnin 200 hp on the streets, and the only aftermarket parts are a TB, Intake, and Cam. in fact, a friend and i put out the baddest engines in the valley. we did an h22 that looked so good most people thought Honda did it.
ok, nuff with the shameless plug.

91efhatch couldnt build a lego's engine, let alone a real ****** engine, so dont listen to him. i can take a b16a with $1,000 and get 200hp out of it. so i could take $3,000 and get around 240 hp out of it. for $10,000 i could wring a devastating 300 all motor ponies that would beat a comparative turbo b16a. it all breaks down to machine work, tuning, and using the proper parts in conjuction with each other. </TD></TR></TABLE>

all talk..show us some proof of your claims.

 

.0005" of piston to wall clearance, an alligned honed head and magical 13:1 stock honda pistons? I'd like to get my hands on whatever you're smoking.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CallMeJesus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im drug free 'nia.

d16z6 runnin d15 pistons raising compression to mid 13:1, cut crank & balanced, shot peened rods, aluminum bearings, bottom end balanced out. runnin a plateau hone finish with 0.0005" piston-to-wall clearance (cant **** with that, can ya?) ported and polished my own head, with OEM replacement valves cut 5 ways, JG springs and cam. align-honed my head, in my garage, with a pvc pipe, 80 grit and 2000 grit sandpaper. cleaned up the IM, slapped on a JG TB with an intake, and crappy dc header to finish it out. a buddy fabbed up his own vtec controller, and epromm, runnin an obd-0 ecu.

so whats crackin?

your hatch tengoku wouldnt stand a chance to tell you the truth. the h22 del sol swap i did cant hold up, and he is runnin an aftermarket chip in his ****. </TD></TR></TABLE>

gee sounds like a bit more than a few bolt ons and a cam huh? Hmm someone is talking some ****. Dont try to BS someone and say "all I got is.." and rattle off some crap when u really have alot more in it. U just pretend to be cool and not say what u have. Secondly a chip really doesnt do crap. Thirdly del sols are heavy. In your world of D16's you forgot a few things. First thing, torque. Which u will never have on your D16z6. Second well how well your cars suspension is setup. Track times shall we? How about some dyno numbers? Its one thing to brag about a 200 WHP D series.... Its another thing put it to the ground and on the dyno. Talk is cheap. Lets see some proof. If u cant then it just shows, how much of a punk u are. Well???

 

turbo motors are obvoiusly going to make more power, but how much power would you say if that same turbo wasnt there? VS all motor the power is there 24/7. From my understanding you cant have both, I'd rather have the power come from the motor..

like those **** talkers that drive lightnings ask them to cut the belt to the supercharger and see what it would do (just another f-150)

 

Don't foget the turbo makes more overall power and torque then all motor. You might be making 200 hp on all motor and 200 hp on turbo but the turbo will probably make more power down below to pull your car faster.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by biotech0123 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">turbo motors are obvoiusly going to make more power, but how much power would you say if that same turbo wasnt there? VS all motor the power is there 24/7. From my understanding you cant have both, I'd rather have the power come from the motor..

like those **** talkers that drive lightnings ask them to cut the belt to the supercharger and see what it would do (just another f-150) </TD></TR></TABLE>

That is the dumbest reasoning and worst argument I have ever heard. What the hell kind of a post is this? How about we take the motor out of your car, cut out the floorboards and make you go flintstones, and see what it would do. It would be just another big hunk of metal.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CallMeJesus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
it all breaks down to machine work, tuning, and using the proper parts in conjunction with each other. </TD></TR></TABLE>

CallMeJesus said something that made sense?

 

call you jesus????more like jebus

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by biassj &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't foget the turbo makes more overall power and torque then all motor. You might be making 200 hp on all motor and 200 hp on turbo but the turbo will probably make more power down below to pull your car faster.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, it's the dreaded "area under the curve" that matters most.


I also agree on the notion that turbo cars weather they're built with a turbo "kit" or one pieced together either break easier or require more effort to maintain when compared to an N/A motor. I experienced this last weekend meeting up with some friends. I can't remember the last time my car had downtime due to something broken.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TurbLu &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ive done turbo setups in the past. Soo much maintenance, overly way more expensive, not useful in stoplight to stoplight battles. NA is cheaper when done properly. Average turbo kit is around 3500. For 3500 you can build your b16a or b18c to run 12's NA all day. Maybe even high 11's. Unless your staying single cam then F/I is the way to go.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wow completely opposite of my experiences. I boosted my z6 in my crx at 9 lbs for over 1.5 years and never had one single problem besides regular maintenance. I really don't see how people can say a turbo car is "so much maintenance". My turbo kit was dirt cheap and car was extremely fun for the setup. Best stoplight to stoplight battle car ive ever owned.

Yager-

 

SOunds good and all... But after seeing you ladies go back and forth, I want to see some proof of this street machine!!!!! Lets see some pics and some timeslips because surely if it is that badass U have pics and have been to the track with it.... for proof!!!

 

b-series killer

 

Have you ever dynod that thing...or are you going by your butt dyno? I have that same header for my LS...and i dont see them being able to make 200hp. And do you have your chassis grounded to your header? Is that how they are on d series? Weird!

 

.0005 piston to wall clearance?

I dont imagine that would last long at all once the piston gets to operating temp...

Cylinder scuffing anyone?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turboEGsedan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

That is the dumbest reasoning and worst argument I have ever heard. What the hell kind of a post is this? How about we take the motor out of your car, cut out the floorboards and make you go flintstones, and see what it would do. It would be just another big hunk of metal.</TD></TR></TABLE>

aah newbe wants to flame me, just giving my opinion did'nt ask for smart *** remarks

 

NA suks and turbo is where its at
this is coming from a person with a 200 whp lsvtec
i reqret going na all the time
you will understand once you sit in a turbo car
the power of na is so limited espically a small displacement na
na will never have the raw hp and torque of turbo
and turbo is just so much more fun to drive

even though i have 200whp with my lsvtec everyday i say to my self that my car is slow *** hell. this is in part because i have a full weight 2700lbs integra. You can only go fast Na with a light car. i dont like civics and cars that are guted to hell with no ps or ac or power windows, locks, moonroof.

all most cost way too much. i sould have spend half the money that io used going na and went turbo and be way faster than i am right now.
i lost to my cousins stock crx with a 800 pieced together turno running 9 psi. i really cant beat itr but that much. i still get spanked by s2ks and 250z's.

my motor is preatty much maxed out for the street already. compression is 11.5 which is about max for 91 octane. My cams are about as big as you can go on the street. everything is ported and i have all the bolt ons. i basically have everything except for a 2.0 block. and all this for what??? 200whp and a mid 14 second car.

even though if you have a 12 second na car it still wont have any torque or bottom end like a turbo. and i bet your probably in a guted unconfertable civic with no ac or ps or power anything. you will have the rev motor like crazy to get any power out of it which also kills the motor fast.

this is why i'm curently build my second motor which will be a fully built turbo and my current na lsvtec will just be my back up motor

 

ever seen this car run in person?http://www.skunk2.com/

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by biotech0123 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ever seen this car run in person?http://www.skunk2.com/</TD></TR></TABLE>
you must be talking about the skunk2 na rsx
this car doesent matter because it is not a street car
i was comparing na vs turbo street cars that are driven everyday and that run on 91 octance

sunk2's rsx runs sky high compression that cant be ran on pumped and i'm sure many other things make the car un streetable