Honda and Mazda guys rejoice!!!
The ITS E36 BMW gets an intake restrictor starting next year. A big bold move by the club and a positive one IMHO.

Spec Miata goes National in 2006.
Hell yeah! Now maybe at least half of those buttheads will no longer be at regional races (fingers crossed and prayers said).

Finally (Are you paying attention Rinde?)...
The Type R goes to Limited Prep E Production at 2250lbs.
NOW theres a good place to race a Type R, and maybe even get on TV every Thanksgiving.
I have to make less fun of Rinde now. I'm pretty sure he suddenly has a great EP car sitting in his garage. Fast, expensive AND people to race against.
If he passes this up I'm flying cross country to stick my country foot up his ***.

Scott, Loving the "new" SCCA... So far.

 

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Finally (Are you paying attention Rinde?)...
The Type R goes to Limited Prep E Production at 2250lbs.
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What are the general rules of E Prod?

 

This is totally off the top of my head, but basically...

Glass replaced with lexan
CF or Fiberglass body panels (Flared fenders OK)
Slicks on 15x7s
Tranny gears are free
Basic IT and HC type engine work allowed with higher compression (10.5 I think) with cams being free.
Headlights can be removed and ducting added
Bumpers can be removed or lightened.
Battery can be relocated
Suspension is the same as IT/HC
Brake MC can be changed (some use the dual tilton unit but I've seen many Hondas stay stock).

Thats all I can think of right now. Get a GCR before you actually do anything.

Safety wise you have to have a fire system and a fuel cell.

 

david, you'd be racing something like this



look familiar?

 

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look familiar?</TD></TR></TABLE>

No... He wouldn't.
Not in EP.

He'd be racing something like this:

 

i was just messing with him...

i think Yasu races it in SPU

 

ITS BMW gets a restrictor, huh. Looks like the Sunbelt guys are going to be spending more time on the dyno if they can get out from underneath all the BMW World Challenge engines in-house.

Might be time to hit the pipe again. Gotta get the Prelude over to Robinson Racing for some cage work, install the 4.4 final drive and maybe, just maybe, a little bit of Hondata for bigger horsepower. Driving the car through the neighborhood is just not providing a buzz no more...still kind of fun to make noise though.

 

At this point, the cost to turn a 2004 rulebook H2 car into an E production or H1 car is $3K minimum (cams, bottom end, lighter weight, etc)... still too much money for me...

 

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Oh my God. 2250? Meaning, a loss of 350+ pounds off of what I am now? I can't imagine...

Interesting, yet I'm locked into H2 next year. Perhaps in 2006 it may be time to see how good "the other body" is.

 

I get a kick our of that minimum figure up there. MINIMUM.

You could easily spend that on a gearbox alone since the LP Prod rules allow any internals in the stock case. Go look at prices for Group A gearsets at Mardi Gras Motorsports.

http://www.mardigras.co.uk/

K

Edit - Never mind. They took the prices off of the web site. Probably killing off their customers with the shock.

 

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Basic IT and HC type engine work allowed with higher compression (10.5 I think) with cams being free.
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Are tranny gears and cams free on LP cars?

 

By the way, the EP cars at Summit Point run 1:22s.

Other top EP cars...
1st gen RX-7 with streetported 12A (over 200hp).
Lotus 7 (with old school Ford motor???)
Caterham 7 (Lotus 7 replica, with stock Ford Zetec engine)
2nd gen RX-7 with non-ported 13B

 

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Other top EP cars...
1st gen RX-7 with streetported 12A (over 200hp).
Lotus 7 (with old school Ford motor???)
Caterham 7 (Lotus 7 replica, with stock Ford Zetec engine)
2nd gen RX-7 with non-ported 13B</TD></TR></TABLE>

You have to add the Miata too if you're talking top EP cars.

Basically like anything in SCCA's club racing, if you're in a Mazda, you'll be taken care of. Good news for me that SM's going national cause like Scott said, hopefully that's less of them on track with me. Should make for a great Runoffs race too.

 

ITR in limited-prep E Prod...I confess, I know basically nothing about the prod classes. But, whatever...it's good to see a place to run one other than T2, where...well, you know.

The news about the BMW is especially good. Anyone who was at the ARRC will understand why. The top two ITS cars...BMWs of course...were running away from most of the field to the tune of about 4-5 seconds a lap.

Now that it stands more than a snowball's chance in ITS, someone buy my car so I can go Radical hunting

 

I'm surprise no one has asked yet for the ITR to be added to the list of proposed T3 cars.....

 

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They did and were shot down.

 

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I did and it wasn't even printed up in fastrack, like I thought every request was supposed to.

Victor Penner

edit: for not having my coffee yet

 

i remember reading somewhere that starting in 2005, all of the scca rulebooks will be available on the web...is this true (not just the pro racing one)?

 

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That is the plan. However, you will still be required to have a paper copy in hand for national and divisional level events.

 

Looks good for the Type R.....

Just like the GSR in Limited Prep E Prod.......2050....

 

I'll bring it up again the next time I'm talking with them. Seems like it should be a good fit to me.

 

I have been having a delusional thought lately and that is to get the Super Production rules changed so that there is a delineation between SPO and SPU in the GCR. I would like to see SPU recognized in the GCR to where you don't have to have the "GT" spec cage (cage to IT Rules instead) and you don't have to have a fuel cell or in-car fire suppresion system to run (OEM fuel tank and fire extinguisher on production based chassis like IT). That way H1 cars, some classses from BMWCCA and PCA can run in this catch all class if you want to throw in on a SCCA race at a venue you like. As a past race chair if I had enough entrants from another series show up to run SPU I would make a subclass within the class for trophy purposes. I have been looking at some lap times of H1 cars (not through yet) and they are maybe one to two seconds a lap faster to also slower than ITS cars. If H1 cars are running those times then it makes sense to let them run with less stringent safety rules of IT. The more stringent safety rules would stay for SPO since somebody could under those rules show up with a twin turbo V12, tube frame car since it is a wide open class.
I am going to do the research for BMWCCA and PCA in that their race calendar is not very full in the Southeast and could provide more races for those guys to attend under SPU. That could increase numbers for SEDIV races too by opening up SPU (in SEDIV SPU is n/a engines 2.5 liters and under). Ran it by a national board member of SCCA who is on CRB and his response was that it made sense from a safety and more potential entrants standpoint and suggested I give it a try. Have to do my homework first.

Barry H.


Modified by apexinghonda at 5:07 PM 11/24/2004

 

I dunno Jason, 2250 seems doable to me considering you can replace all the glass with lexan, gut both doors, replace the fenders and hood with CF or F, remove the heater core, and remove the light assemblies.
Honestly, thats alot of weight right there.

Cousin Crack,
Pretty much the biggest difference between full prep and LP production is the allowance to relocate suspension points. In LP you can't.
Cams are free for both and compression is whatever is listed in the GCR. 10.5 for the ITR.
Honestly I really like the LP concept. You can build a really really fast competitive car but still not have a grenade for a motor like the older Prod cars with silly stuff like 15/1 comp.
I've thought about taking my car to GP more than once, its just the cost and current competitiveness in ITC that holds me back.

Barry,
You'll never get what you are talking about below in the GCR. SCCA national wants no part of any type of "run what you brung" class.
BUT, you can lobby the SEDIV for such a regional class. One thats a catch-all but for smaller displacement cars than the corvettes and such in ITE. I brought this idea up last year and the directors were receptive.
What you have to do is write up a rule set (my thought was to base it on 2.9 liters of displacement or less and allow engine/transmission swaps) and base the safety rules on the current IT rules in the GCR.
This would catch things like hybrids, Type Rs, and E30 M3s.
The potential for the class is out there. It just needs someone to head it up.

 

Scott,
Thanks for the encouragement, er, discouragement. LOL. SPU and SPO is already a "run what you brung class". The GCR does not delineate between SPO and SPU when in reality it has developed that way. I understand the ITE class but not many regions put in that supplemental class. You always see SPU in regional events and therefore you do not have to lobby to have ITE added. The Florida regions via supplementals runs a P1 and P2 class that they look at your car and put it into whatever class they deem appropriate. But again you have to lobby to have a class added in an already crowded field. At the July Barber race there was a Lotus Europa vintage car and a BMWCCA BMW running.

Well I did say I was delusional at the start of my thread. They came out with HPCCC rules some of which did not make sense so I sought out the folks involved in it at the last convention and they are making some changes based on my suggestions. I know cracking the GCR "nut" is a different matter entirely. Like I said I do have one good friend on the CRB who likes the idea. I just want to take an existing divisional rule set (most divisions recognizing a SPO/SPU delineation) and just change the safety rules (cage, fuel tank, and fire "suppression") to be more along the lines of IT for SPU. Under SPU engine tranny swaps are open. I don't even want to attempt to bump up the engine displacement in that it is one of the things to argue that the cars will not be so fast as to go beyond what is needed in safety for IT. The argument can be made that it helps SCCA get more exposure, membership, and for the regions ($$) from other racers in other series by allowing to run in SPU. Then when I go to the National Convention in January I will seek out and lobby whoever is on the CRB who is at the convention. After all part of it is politics (and money). I don't mind tilting at windmills. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Barry H.

 

I think conforming SPU to be all inclusive but lowering the safety requirements is short sighted and a bad idea. I have been saying since the inception of the ECHC that I think H1 needs to have higher safety requirements .... not that SPU or GT needs less and I still think I make a sensible point. It is inherrently dangerous to put cars on a racetrack that have the potential for speeds faster than any IT class, with less weight and less structure than them and at the same time allowing for lightened (and as I look at it more fragile) parts internally (inferring that they can run the bare minimum safety wise required of a 2000 80 hp car capable of half the speeds).

That's great that the E36 gets a restrictor - I like that soooo much more than more weight. As for the ITR in LP EP, I like the idea of some EP ITRs floating around. There was a GSR in EP at a drivers school a few years ago and I thought it was pretty spiffy looking - 2:09s at VIR Full!!! Whoo-hoo


Modified by phat-S at 12:17 PM 11/24/2004