Con Rod Comparison & Piston Comparison
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In a race application without the use of turbo or nitrous which connecting rods would you guys rather use on a b18c5? which are the strongest, best and high life?
a) Crower B93729B
b) Eagle CRS5430A3D
c) Stock b18c5 con rods
As for pistons.. which would be best.. also what combination
a) JE 161972 11.5:1 compression pistons
b)SRP 149211 11.3:1 compression pistons
c) TODA 12.3: 1 compression pistons
a) Crower B93729B
b) Eagle CRS5430A3D
c) Stock b18c5 con rods
As for pistons.. which would be best.. also what combination
a) JE 161972 11.5:1 compression pistons
b)SRP 149211 11.3:1 compression pistons
c) TODA 12.3: 1 compression pistons
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and thats what you will hear from everyone in here most likely... its a rules thing.
and thats what you will hear from everyone in here most likely... its a rules thing.
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its a rule thing?.. i dont get it</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well if you are road racing, you would need to find out if aftermarket connecting rods are allowed.
Although if you are road racing I wouldn't see a need to spend money on forged pistons and beefy connecting rods since you said you weren't going forced induction. The compression ratio's listed there can be achieved in a B18C5 with a simple thin headgasket or light mil or B16A, CTR pistons. The ITR block in stock form has proven more then worthy of good reliable block. So why waste the money?
its a rule thing?.. i dont get it</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well if you are road racing, you would need to find out if aftermarket connecting rods are allowed.
Although if you are road racing I wouldn't see a need to spend money on forged pistons and beefy connecting rods since you said you weren't going forced induction. The compression ratio's listed there can be achieved in a B18C5 with a simple thin headgasket or light mil or B16A, CTR pistons. The ITR block in stock form has proven more then worthy of good reliable block. So why waste the money?
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its a rule thing?.. i dont get it</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think what you're not getting is that this form is about racing in sactioned events that have rules.
For example, nitrous is not legal for any type of racing discussed in this form thus it is never needed to be mentioned that you are not using it. The fact that you mentioned nitrous (as you said you were not using it) makes me think you don't quite understand the type of "racing" this forum is for.
its a rule thing?.. i dont get it</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think what you're not getting is that this form is about racing in sactioned events that have rules.
For example, nitrous is not legal for any type of racing discussed in this form thus it is never needed to be mentioned that you are not using it. The fact that you mentioned nitrous (as you said you were not using it) makes me think you don't quite understand the type of "racing" this forum is for.
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I think what you're not getting is that this form is about racing in sactioned events that have rules.
For example, nitrous is not legal for any type of racing discussed in this form thus it is never needed to be mentioned that you are not using it. The fact that you mentioned nitrous (as you said you were not using it) makes me think you don't quite understand the type of "racing" this forum is for.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Are you telling me my Nawzz is not legal?
J/K
I think what you're not getting is that this form is about racing in sactioned events that have rules.
For example, nitrous is not legal for any type of racing discussed in this form thus it is never needed to be mentioned that you are not using it. The fact that you mentioned nitrous (as you said you were not using it) makes me think you don't quite understand the type of "racing" this forum is for.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Are you telling me my Nawzz is not legal?
J/K
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Not to be totally pissy, but there are other sanctioning bodies other than NASA and series other than Honda Challenge so don't be so ******* condescending.
If your sanctioning body allows aftermarket rods and pistons the crower econo billet or the eagle rods would be fine with the je or srp pistons. The todas are a fine piston but a little overpriced in my opinion.
Good luck,
Victor Penner
If your sanctioning body allows aftermarket rods and pistons the crower econo billet or the eagle rods would be fine with the je or srp pistons. The todas are a fine piston but a little overpriced in my opinion.
Good luck,
Victor Penner
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...and he would have gotten a more appropriate answer had he declared his intentions in the original post.
As is, the question would be probably more appropriate to the All Motor or Tech forums.
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...and he would have gotten a more appropriate answer had he declared his intentions in the original post.
As is, the question would be probably more appropriate to the All Motor or Tech forums.
Easy there now.
I think everyone here is aware there is more to life then NASA HC.
Everyone is aware there are other series and sanctioning bodies out there that have more open rules in engine prep. He specifically said he was not using forced induction. He also listed 3 pistons with mild compression and stock or slightly o/s bore.
Therefore myself ,as well as the rest, recommended accordingly. Why spend the money on high dollar forged internals if they are not needed? Now if he was talking about having the block resleeved and going with an 82-85+mm bore and running 13+:1 compression and was asking for opinions on pistons and rods that would be a different story.
If for some strange reason he "had" to run forged internals, I would go with Mahle pistons w/ custom pin location and Cunningham or perhaps Oliver rods. Custom length to improve rod stroke and as light as possible with weight concentrated in critical areas. I mean why not?
I think everyone here is aware there is more to life then NASA HC.
Everyone is aware there are other series and sanctioning bodies out there that have more open rules in engine prep. He specifically said he was not using forced induction. He also listed 3 pistons with mild compression and stock or slightly o/s bore.
Therefore myself ,as well as the rest, recommended accordingly. Why spend the money on high dollar forged internals if they are not needed? Now if he was talking about having the block resleeved and going with an 82-85+mm bore and running 13+:1 compression and was asking for opinions on pistons and rods that would be a different story.
If for some strange reason he "had" to run forged internals, I would go with Mahle pistons w/ custom pin location and Cunningham or perhaps Oliver rods. Custom length to improve rod stroke and as light as possible with weight concentrated in critical areas. I mean why not?
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well, currently the car is a lapping car and this year comming up it will be entered into a regional racing class in Ontario (Canada), to try to compete activly at the back of the pack (not looking to make this a full time thing, just more of to satisfy myself and have fun).
The rules for the regional racing up here are quite loose in terms of internals, there are no general "rules" but when you race you do list your parts and they devide you into further categories within your already defined group so you might be activly competing against 3 or 4 drivers. But most of the guys are like me, in a touring class just having fun on a cheap budget.
I just want to make some power (not rediculious amounts), and try to make sure i dont detonate my engine, as im not made out of money and would rather beef up the block a little bit now to prevent the high costs of a rebuild.
hopefully that explains my intentions better
The rules for the regional racing up here are quite loose in terms of internals, there are no general "rules" but when you race you do list your parts and they devide you into further categories within your already defined group so you might be activly competing against 3 or 4 drivers. But most of the guys are like me, in a touring class just having fun on a cheap budget.
I just want to make some power (not rediculious amounts), and try to make sure i dont detonate my engine, as im not made out of money and would rather beef up the block a little bit now to prevent the high costs of a rebuild.
hopefully that explains my intentions better
If you have any questions about pistons feel free to contact me here at the shop or you could Im me. I may be ablt to help with that part of your question.
Tom J
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