what are the advantages and disadvantages that the EF hatchback has over the EG hatchbacks? This should be a interesting topic..

 

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I would guess that the EF would be lighter (depending on the model), but I could be wrong. By all means, correct me if I'm wrong please.

The downside of an EF, it's older. Therefore more wear on parts and harder to find one in good condition.

 

hey i'll reply even though i don't know much about the EG's.
what i've always figured is that EG's are better as far as parts fitting to them, but thanks to the fact that Honda discontinued the CRX when it did, EF's also have ALMOST as many parts available. i'm an EF fan, b/c that's what i have, but EG's are newer so they can't be bad.

 

eg= set up for hydro, set up for obd1

 

I have always heard that the lightest Civic chassis ever is the EG 'cx' model.

But I've also heard that the EF chassis is a better with handling and all-round structurally than EG chassis.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

this is what I know from what I seen and heard of

the EF hatch compared to the EG has a short wheel base which is a disadvantage in drag and well almosr any department of racing

I know but still I wouldn't want it any other way
and correct about this another sad part about EF's but Bolt on kit

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But I've also heard that the EF chassis is a better with handling and all-round structurally than EG chassis.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.</TD></TR></TABLE>

mabye im wrong but i think EF civic 4dr dx was the lightest...or mabye it was a EF std hatch

 

i think the STD hatch is lighter..i hear the d16 vtec motors in a EF is supposed to run high mid15s, but is slower in a EG. one thing i am for sure about the EG is that it is easier to do swaps into a EG because you dont need mounts..

 

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mabye im wrong but i think EF civic 4dr dx was the lightest...or mabye it was a EF std hatch</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's what I hear too

 

no way a 4 door would be lighter than a hatch. the crx hf is the lightest ... if i remember correctly

 

is it true that the d16 (92-95 si/ex motors) run mid 15s stock in the EF hatch? how fast are they supposed to be in the EG? which car handles better?

 

yeah, a 4 door is not the lightest. The 88 crx hf is supposed to be the lightest chassis. I beleive at a cool 1800 pounds. but it seems that some eg models are around the same weight as some ef's... my 2 cents
manny

 

advantages-my swapped ed6 weighs less than most egs at 2160. The ef has the potential for obd 1 and a hydro tranny. So you can have all the eg goodies in your ef.

disadvantages-old car smell. I can deal with everything else.

 

I'd say the shorter wheelbase is a plus for auto-x, as well as road racing. Consider the EF Civic and CRX domination of G and H stock, and other solo 2 classes.

 

what makes cable trannys better than hydros? i figure theres a reason why honda stopped using cable..?

 

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Yes i have heard this aswell and seems true.

Its all about EFs since theyre older and and you barley ever see them fixed up right.

 

I'd say the shorter wheelbase is a plus for auto-x, as well as road racing. Consider the EF Civic and CRX domination of G and H stock, and other solo 2 classes.

why would that be a plus? also, whats the difference between hydro trannys and cable trannys?

 

Quicker turn in, car rotates more easily. More 'twitchy' but that's a good thing in that context. Of course for drag racing, as mentioned above a longer wheel base helps. That's why you see 'wheelie' bars on some FWD drag cars, as they're setup with some preload that lengthens the effective wheelbase of the car.


I think the big plus of the hydraulic clutch is that some desirable swaps only are paired with transmissions with hydraulic clutches. This avoids having to convert the pedal assembly/linkage from being cable operated.

 

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Yep
longer wheelbase=better weight transfer

 

EF -Flatback
EG- bubble back

 

taken from:
http://faq.ef-honda.com/index....ng=en

Stock Weights:

1988 Honda CRX Si MT 2017
1988 Honda CRX DX MT 1922
1988 Honda CRX HF MT 1819
1988 Honda Civic DX SDN MT 2039
1988 Honda Civic LX SDN MT 2138
1988 Honda Civic DX HB MT 1993
1988 Honda Civic HB MT 1933
1989 Honda CRX Si MT 2138
1989 Honda CRX DX MT 2048
1989 Honda CRX HF MT 1834
1989 Honda Civic DX SDN MT 2147
1989 Honda Civic LX SDN MT 2211
1989 Honda Civic Si HB MT 2161
1989 Honda Civic HB MT 2013
1989 Honda Civic DX HB MT 2088
1990 Honda CRX Si MT 2174
1990 Honda CRX DX MT 2103
1990 Honda CRX HF MT 1967
1990 Honda Civic DX SDN MT 2262
1990 Honda Civic LX SDN MT 2322
1990 Honda Civic EX SDN MT 2374
1990 Honda Civic Si HB MT 2291
1990 Honda Civic HB MT 2127
1990 Honda Civic DX HB MT 2165
1991 Honda CRX DX MT 2103
1991 Honda CRX HF MT 1967
1991 Honda CRX Si MT 2174
1991 Honda Civic DX SDN MT 2262
1991 Honda Civic LX SDN MT 2322
1991 Honda Civic EX SDN MT 2374
1991 Honda Civic DX HB MT 2165
1991 Honda Civic Si HB MT 2291
EF 1991 Honda Civic HB MT 2127


Modified by KFBhonda at 6:23 AM 11/23/2004

 

what does the extra 100 lbs come from on an 89 hatch than a 88?

 

88 hf thats what I thought

 

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1988 Honda CRX HF MT 1819
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