i am looking to know how to tell the difference in a 96-97 ITR swap and a 98 up swap. what are the things that i could look for that would tell me that it was either years? i already know the header, but other than that. is there any knid of stamp on it or marking that would determine the year. thanks for any help.

 

I'm assuming you are talking about JDM B18C (R) swaps.

The 98 up have a 4-1 one peice header but often that can be changed out. Noticably the transmission has a higher final drive along with a longer 4th and 5th gear.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B2FiNiTY &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm assuming you are talking about JDM B18C (R) swaps.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes, as i stated ITR.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B2FiNiTY &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The 98 up have a 4-1 one piece header but often that can be changed out. Noticeably the transmission has a higher final drive along with a longer 4th and 5th gear.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i know these things, thanks. but other than actually looking at the 4-1 header, there is no other way to tell? there is no way to determine from the outside of the tranny which one it is, 4.4 or 4.7 final drive? i need to be able to look at something on the outside of the motor, other than the header, and determine what year and tranny it is.

 

The only thing you can hope for is that the tranny still has its stamp because those usually wash off.

You can also check the year of the head. That will usually tell you assuming that someone isn't trying to pull a fast one.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B2FiNiTY &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The only thing you can hope for is that the tranny still has its stamp because those usually wash off.</TD></TR></TABLE>

the tranny does have the J4D LSD stamp on it. but that still doesnt specify whether or not it is the 4.4 or 4.7 final drive tranny.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B2FiNiTY &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can also check the year of the head. That will usually tell you assuming that someone isn't trying to pull a fast one.</TD></TR></TABLE>

how do i go about checking the year of the head?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FdOoUoRr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what are the things that i could look for that would tell me that it was either years?.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Is there a Vin# on the engine or an engine block# stamped like on the UD models ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...sting

If you go to the link above you'll see a typical engine block stamp for a 2001 type R ..... I know the JDM engines have this type of stamp also


Modified by daddy ITR at 2:28 AM 11/21/2004

 

JDM motors have no VIN #'s.

it does have the block code stamped on the block under the B18C. i dont know how to identify the year with that though.

 

Just above the header or exhaust manifold there is a stamp on the block looks like a round clock, there is a stamp that indicate the year.

Should like 9/6 that means it's a 1996 or 0/1 meaning 2001.




Modified by jmk2888 at 1:00 AM 11/21/2004

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FdOoUoRr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the tranny does have the J4D LSD stamp on it. but that still doesnt specify whether or not it is the 4.4 or 4.7 final drive tranny.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes it does.

J4D = 4.4 ITR final drive (JDM 96 spec/USDM all)

N3E = 4.7 ITR final drive (JDM 98 spec)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 808dc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">J4D = 4.4 ITR final drive (JDM 96 spec/USDM all)

N3E = 4.7 ITR final drive (JDM 98 spec)</TD></TR></TABLE>

i have never heard this. can anyone back this up?

 

He is right. If the stamp says J4D LSD then it's a 96-97 JDM or USDM tranny with the 4.4 final drive.

The 4.785 final drive trannies have the stamp N3E LSD

 

anybody else know anything?

thanks for all the info.

 

there is a 9/? on the block. the 9 is there but the number on the other side of the 9 is not there. perhaps grinded off maybe. so its anywhere from a 96 to a 99. so i guess the tranny stamp gives it away?

 

to identify the block whether it is 96-97 or 98+ you would need to check the 7digit number located right under b18c.

for example:

if it start at 1903433, then it from 96-97
if it start from 2034234, then it is 98 up spec.
basically, the first 2 numbers are to determine the year made.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B2FiNiTY &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm assuming you are talking about JDM B18C (R) swaps.

The 98 up have a 4-1 one peice header but often that can be changed out. Noticably the transmission has a higher final drive along with a longer 4th and 5th gear. </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FdOoUoRr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there is a 9/? on the block. the 9 is there but the number on the other side of the 9 is not there. perhaps grinded off maybe. so its anywhere from a 96 to a 99. so i guess the tranny stamp gives it away?</TD></TR></TABLE>


Yes the tranny stamp gives it away. If the person selling it tried to pass it off as a newer motor for more money and grinded off the number(cause it should be there) then they obviously didn't know about the stamp on the tranny.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1999all_motoR_teg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes the tranny stamp gives it away. If the person selling it tried to pass it off as a newer motor for more money and grinded off the number(cause it should be there) then they obviously didn't know about the stamp on the tranny.</TD></TR></TABLE>

wow, well that sucks. i got a 96-97 for a 98 up price, awsome.

 

96-97 blocks have red paint on the b18c stamp

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EVILhatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">96-97 blocks have red paint on the b18c stamp</TD></TR></TABLE>

and as you can see mine has a red stamp

disappointed

 

red/orange paint is oem replacement block.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B2FiNiTY &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">red/orange paint is oem replacement block. </TD></TR></TABLE>

so whats that mean? its been messed up?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FdOoUoRr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

so whats that mean? its been messed up?</TD></TR></TABLE>

It means that someone purchased another block from Honda, because the first or original block was messed up.

You should be o.k.

Have you installed it yet?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jmk2888 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It means that someone purchased another block from Honda, because the first or original block was messed up.

You should be o.k.

Have you installed it yet?</TD></TR></TABLE>

no i havent installed it yet.

i was told that i was getting a 00' swap with 12k on it. so i am not happy with a 96-97 while i paid to get a 98 up and it has enough miles on it to have had a cracked block or something that the block needed replacement.

 

Who did you purchase this block/swap through?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1999all_motoR_teg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">He is right. If the stamp says J4D LSD then it's a 96-97 JDM or USDM tranny with the 4.4 final drive.

The 4.785 final drive trannies have the stamp N3E LSD</TD></TR></TABLE>

i dont think he's fully right on this one. i have a 97 jdm itr engine. my transmission DOES NOT come with the J4D LSD stamp on it. accordin to the guys down at hmotorsonline.com, only the 98+ JDM ITR's come with this stamp. that's because the final drive for the 96-97 is 4.4 and the 98+ is 4.7 ... maybe the N3E is the 01+ jdm itr spec?