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Old Dec 28, 2001 | 06:15 AM
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I was just wondering what your opinion is on the Venom injectors?
All i'm planning on doing is getting near stock cc flow. (330cc). I can get a new set of them at a very good price. I still have my stock injectors but i'm replacing everything (everything!) just to eliminate any problems.
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Old Dec 28, 2001 | 06:31 AM
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I've heard alot of bad stories about Venom injectors. General opinion on the FI board is that they are crap.

Send your stock injectors out to RC to get blueprinted. They do a great job.
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Old Dec 28, 2001 | 08:15 AM
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I, too, have heard conficting stories on pretty much all Venom products. I tend to stay away from them. That's just me, I have no personal experience with them.

I can tell you, however, that RC knows their stuff... extremely well I might add. When I go injectors, it'll be from them.
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Old Dec 28, 2001 | 09:24 AM
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I've heard rumors also on ClubSi about short lifespan. This just confirms it for me.
Oh, would either of you have any idea around how much RC charges for simple cleaning & flowtesting?
Thanks for the replies!
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Old Dec 28, 2001 | 11:09 AM
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here's a question i couldnt find an answer to...

what are the specific differencs of p&h and saturated
injectors (besides impedance)?
what would be the advantage of going with say, RC's 370cc p&h w/resistor pack
over RC's 370cc saturated?
checked on RC's tech info page and it just shows formulas, and couldnt find it here.
thanks.
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Old Dec 28, 2001 | 12:28 PM
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i believe the price for blueprinting is $24 a piece. i thought it was a steal i believe i am goin to send mine in whenever i send my ecu off. btw, i just realized that i know JGluder. met him at world of wheels in bham. only thing i wana know is how did you manage to blow that motor up after all youve done to it?
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Old Dec 28, 2001 | 04:23 PM
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Excuse my ignorance, at r/c eng. what exactly is there job in blueprinting a fuel injector? Thanks.
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Old Dec 28, 2001 | 06:51 PM
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From what I understand from reading about injector tech, there is no difference between a low resistance injectors that uses an external resistor or resistor box and a high resistance injector that has it's own internal resistor.

Peak and Hold is an opening method that's used on low resistance injectors. Two circuits are used. Both are open at the beginning to give a high current which opens the injector quickly. Once the injector is open one of the circuits is switched off since the low impedence injector needs little current to maintain it's open state.

Honda has never actually used this dual circuit peak and hold activation. I'm not very good with electronics, but they use the resistors to let initial current through and as it starts to rise, the resistors kick in.

You should see no difference in using 370 low resistance with a external resistor box rather than using the 370 high resistance with no resistor box.


[Modified by DirtyLude, 7:52 PM 12/28/2001]
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Old Dec 28, 2001 | 08:39 PM
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that'll work, thanks.
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Old Dec 29, 2001 | 07:09 AM
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btw, i just realized that i know JGluder. met him at world of wheels in bham. only thing i wana know is how did you manage to blow that motor up after all youve done to it?
easy... drive it like it want to win.
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Old Dec 29, 2001 | 01:58 PM
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yeah i understand. but i woulda swore it coulda lasted longer than that (no offense) well anyway it may not run but at least it LOOKS bad ***!
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Old Dec 30, 2001 | 07:46 PM
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Low-resistance (peak & hold)
High-resistance (saturated)

A saturated injector is a high-resistance injector (16-20 ohms) and is often known for its cooler operation and extended wear life that the peak and hold injectors. Due to the high resistance of the saturated injectors, the injector usually has a slower response time, limiting the injectors operating range. A peak & hold injector has a greater range due to its quicker response time. The drawback is the higher amperage required, thus the shorter lifespan.
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