Did everyone forget that Toda or Jun made cams????
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Did everyone forget that Toda or Jun made cams????
I hear all these threads about Buddy club 4's and Wicked stage 2's making impressive power but what about the old timers.
What have the Toda C's or D's done lately?
Or what ever happend to the hyped up "Jun 4's"?
Anyone making alot of power with these cams?
What have the Toda C's or D's done lately?
Or what ever happend to the hyped up "Jun 4's"?
Anyone making alot of power with these cams?
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Re: Did everyone forget that Toda or Jun made cams???? (Turbo R)
JUN and Toda rocks. JUN 3's in my car right now. The problem is that the wickeds and the buddy clubs are appealing to the crowd that only has $500 to spend on cams not $1,000.
JUN 4's never caught on I think because they don't work well with unmoddified rocker pads.
JUN 4's never caught on I think because they don't work well with unmoddified rocker pads.
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Re: Did everyone forget that Toda or Jun made cams???? (asubennett)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by asubennett »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">JUN and Toda rocks. JUN 3's in my car right now. The problem is that the wickeds and the buddy clubs are appealing to the crowd that only has $500 to spend on cams not $1,000.
JUN 4's never caught on I think because they don't work well with unmoddified rocker pads. </TD></TR></TABLE>
how would you modify them? i was under the impression that they did not catch on becasue you actually had to MEASURE something before you assembled??
JUN 4's never caught on I think because they don't work well with unmoddified rocker pads. </TD></TR></TABLE>
how would you modify them? i was under the impression that they did not catch on becasue you actually had to MEASURE something before you assembled??
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Re: Did everyone forget that Toda or Jun made cams???? (johnzm)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by johnzm »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i was under the impression that they did not catch on becasue you actually had to MEASURE something before you assembled??
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Re: Did everyone forget that Toda or Jun made cams???? (asubennett)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by asubennett »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">JUN and Toda rocks. JUN 3's in my car right now. The problem is that the wickeds and the buddy clubs are appealing to the crowd that only has $500 to spend on cams not $1,000.
JUN 4's never caught on I think because they don't work well with unmoddified rocker pads. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well The bc4s are appealing to me because they made more power than my todas did..nothing to do with price. ,,,But I do agree that since every company in the whole damm world are buying rebadged skunk cams, its ruined it for the real cam manufactures. But thats business unfortunatly
JUN 4's never caught on I think because they don't work well with unmoddified rocker pads. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well The bc4s are appealing to me because they made more power than my todas did..nothing to do with price. ,,,But I do agree that since every company in the whole damm world are buying rebadged skunk cams, its ruined it for the real cam manufactures. But thats business unfortunatly
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Re: Did everyone forget that Toda or Jun made cams???? (Turbo R)
I have Toda 'C's in my ITR, and up until last month was running Toda 'D's in my drag Civic. All the low dollar cams are flooding the market. Now only ballers rock the Toda's 
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Re: Did everyone forget that Toda or Jun made cams???? (Turbo R)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbo R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I hear all these threads about Buddy club 4's and Wicked stage 2's making impressive power but what about the old timers.
What have the Toda C's or D's done lately?
Or what ever happend to the hyped up "Jun 4's"?
Anyone making alot of power with these cams?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Why spend more money on cams that make less or the same power? (esp since reliability isnt an issue??)
What have the Toda C's or D's done lately?
Or what ever happend to the hyped up "Jun 4's"?
Anyone making alot of power with these cams?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Why spend more money on cams that make less or the same power? (esp since reliability isnt an issue??)
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Re: Did everyone forget that Toda or Jun made cams???? (Used2beAb16)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Used2beAb16 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Why spend more money on cams that make less or the same power? (esp since reliability isnt an issue??)
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good question
Why spend more money on cams that make less or the same power? (esp since reliability isnt an issue??)
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good question
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Re: Did everyone forget that Toda or Jun made cams???? (Used2beAb16)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Used2beAb16 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Why spend more money on cams that make less or the same power? (esp since reliability isnt an issue??)
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Very good point. But like everything good in this world, there is a bad side. Although we haven't seen it yet and it may not necessarily happen in the short future. But in the long run, we'll see more and more companies come out with copy cat camshafts and in the end the only people who's gonna get hurt is the consumer. All the research companies will eventually lose a large market share because of immitation camshafts for way less. Why would a company spend thousands on research and development to have their specs copied by another manufacturer for way less? I don't think that camshaft development has reached it's peak. Could be wrong.
What I really want to see is more competition in the form of innovation rather than trying to outdo one another for the consumer's wallet. Which will never happen as long as it's a "business."
Why spend more money on cams that make less or the same power? (esp since reliability isnt an issue??)
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Very good point. But like everything good in this world, there is a bad side. Although we haven't seen it yet and it may not necessarily happen in the short future. But in the long run, we'll see more and more companies come out with copy cat camshafts and in the end the only people who's gonna get hurt is the consumer. All the research companies will eventually lose a large market share because of immitation camshafts for way less. Why would a company spend thousands on research and development to have their specs copied by another manufacturer for way less? I don't think that camshaft development has reached it's peak. Could be wrong.
What I really want to see is more competition in the form of innovation rather than trying to outdo one another for the consumer's wallet. Which will never happen as long as it's a "business."
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Re: Did everyone forget that Toda or Jun made cams???? (len)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by len »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Very good point. But like everything good in this world, there is a bad side. Although we haven't seen it yet and it may not necessarily happen in the short future. But in the long run, we'll see more and more companies come out with copy cat camshafts and in the end the only people who's gonna get hurt is the consumer. All the research companies will eventually lose a large market share because of immitation camshafts for way less. Why would a company spend thousands on research and development to have their specs copied by another manufacturer for way less? I don't think that camshaft development has reached it's peak. Could be wrong.
What I really want to see is more competition in the form of innovation rather than trying to outdo one another for the consumer's wallet. Which will never happen as long as it's a "business." </TD></TR></TABLE>
The consumers may get hurt in the long run, but I can understand the point of view of the companies. Alot of honda "tuners" and i use that term loosely are were jumping on the bandwagon for skunk 2 cams. Skunk 2 stage 2's were essentially identical to Jun III's. (not identical but close) The reason that everyone was buying the skunk 2's is because they were cheaper than the Juns and made great power. (Power #'s were highly publicized by users of this site)
So, a company that produces these cams for the company(skunk2 supplier), can also sell the cam to another company, who intern doesnt have to pay $100,000 for a race car, and viola you get the same cam at a cheaper price.
It is also advantageous for a would be cam manufacturer to compile results from other manufacturers, and see what works and doesn't. And then try to build upon that. For example a company like buddy club. They havent been producing cams for years like toda. But They have waited for many designs to come out, they see what works, and what doesnt and then they can build upon that with less money, and time spent. Its smart business.
As far as the cam development not being over, I hope to agree with you. But if u can see most companies. For ex. Jun and Toda, have already spent money researching cams profiles and released handfuls of sets of cams for the b-series motor.
The time is moved on, Toda is now releasing several cams for the K-series powerplant. I think most major companies will be moving towards the k motors and maybe some companies for ex. buddy club cam come through and build off or previous designs for improvement.
Very good point. But like everything good in this world, there is a bad side. Although we haven't seen it yet and it may not necessarily happen in the short future. But in the long run, we'll see more and more companies come out with copy cat camshafts and in the end the only people who's gonna get hurt is the consumer. All the research companies will eventually lose a large market share because of immitation camshafts for way less. Why would a company spend thousands on research and development to have their specs copied by another manufacturer for way less? I don't think that camshaft development has reached it's peak. Could be wrong.
What I really want to see is more competition in the form of innovation rather than trying to outdo one another for the consumer's wallet. Which will never happen as long as it's a "business."
</TD></TR></TABLE>The consumers may get hurt in the long run, but I can understand the point of view of the companies. Alot of honda "tuners" and i use that term loosely are were jumping on the bandwagon for skunk 2 cams. Skunk 2 stage 2's were essentially identical to Jun III's. (not identical but close) The reason that everyone was buying the skunk 2's is because they were cheaper than the Juns and made great power. (Power #'s were highly publicized by users of this site)
So, a company that produces these cams for the company(skunk2 supplier), can also sell the cam to another company, who intern doesnt have to pay $100,000 for a race car, and viola you get the same cam at a cheaper price.
It is also advantageous for a would be cam manufacturer to compile results from other manufacturers, and see what works and doesn't. And then try to build upon that. For example a company like buddy club. They havent been producing cams for years like toda. But They have waited for many designs to come out, they see what works, and what doesnt and then they can build upon that with less money, and time spent. Its smart business.
As far as the cam development not being over, I hope to agree with you. But if u can see most companies. For ex. Jun and Toda, have already spent money researching cams profiles and released handfuls of sets of cams for the b-series motor.
The time is moved on, Toda is now releasing several cams for the K-series powerplant. I think most major companies will be moving towards the k motors and maybe some companies for ex. buddy club cam come through and build off or previous designs for improvement.
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Re: Did everyone forget that Toda or Jun made cams???? (redGSRguy)
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exactly
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Re: Did everyone forget that Toda or Jun made cams???? (Turbo R)
You can get RM cams WITH what is arguably the best spring/retainer combo on the market for the same price as just the cams from Jun or Toda. Ditto for RLZ and maybe a couple other companies out there.
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Re: Did everyone forget that Toda or Jun made cams???? (Used2beAb16)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Used2beAb16 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Why spend more money on cams that make less or the same power? (esp since reliability isnt an issue??)
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Its kinda of like the JDM look. Why get a new hood, lights, anything jdm, when stock deos or almost looks the same. TO BE COOL.
For cams, I beleive, is just to say, "hey I have (blank) cams, I'm cool". Yes their are differences in the cams, but very very minimal. Assuming your comparing the same spec cams with each other.
This is business and the more companies you have out there in the market usually brings down costs,make manufactures try to out do each other, which makes for better and better products at lower prices.
YO JDM
Why spend more money on cams that make less or the same power? (esp since reliability isnt an issue??)
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Its kinda of like the JDM look. Why get a new hood, lights, anything jdm, when stock deos or almost looks the same. TO BE COOL.
For cams, I beleive, is just to say, "hey I have (blank) cams, I'm cool". Yes their are differences in the cams, but very very minimal. Assuming your comparing the same spec cams with each other.
This is business and the more companies you have out there in the market usually brings down costs,make manufactures try to out do each other, which makes for better and better products at lower prices.
YO JDM
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Re: Did everyone forget that Toda or Jun made cams???? (volcom40street)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by volcom40street »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its kinda of like the JDM look. Why get a new hood, lights, anything jdm, when stock deos or almost looks the same. TO BE COOL.
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Why, modify your exterior in a first place ?
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Why, modify your exterior in a first place ?
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