Modified by JDMGSRCRX at 9:34 PM 11/30/2004

 

pull the clutch in or let off the gas and dont freak out, you dont want to make sudden movements and have your wheel not land straight

 

i dont have any tips, cause i cant do em either .. but the same thing happened to me on my '90 FZR600.

I was ridin with a passenger, took it near redline in first, shifted to 2nd and the front came up. Not too high, but it definatly came up. Surprised the **** outta me, but i just leaned forward and got off the gas and that was it.

 

just roll off the gas, keep your grip on the bars LOOSE so you dont cause oscillations.

stay relaxed and keep the bars straight so it comes down straight.

 

Werd...

Thanks for the info....I cant help but ask this now....

If I wanted to keep the wheel up a little longer....what should I do?

The temptation to try a wheelie now is too hard not to try......

Feather the gas?....Keep the RPM steady?.....****.....I'm gonna hurt myself..Maybe I shouldnt try at all.....

 

lol!

i dunno mang, but im sure some peeps on here can tell you

 

Theres a few ways to do them. An '04 gixxer should have no problem.

1. Clutch in, rev motor, release clutch(dump or feather depending on how powerful the bike is, how high you want to go, how comfortable you are, throttle control, etc..). This results in the most 12'oclocks, atleast in my opinion. Its very easy for an inexperienced rider to give way too much throttle with the clutch in and flip the bike. This is always the easiest way in my opinion to lift up an underpowered bike.

2. In first, 2nd, 3rd bring the bike up to somewhat high rpms at about 3/4 throttle, then totally release the throttle for just a second then go WOT. This should pick it up on most bikes and isn't nearly as reckless as dumping the clutch like in above technique.

Im sure there are plenty of more techniques, these are just my limited experiences

Oh and please wear your gear, if you dont usually, when trying any kind of "stunt"

 

IMO, unless you have enough experience with throttle control... such as carving canyons smoothly, you shouldn't practice clutched wheelies.

1st gear, throttle only wheelies are probably a lot safer. Just rev to 7~8K, release throttle 1sec, and 3/4 to full throttle when weight shifts forward.

And remember, when your gas tank is near empty, the bike will come up much faster so be careful. One day you try on a full tank, it might not come up so much... another day you try on an empty tank and you almost flip the bike.

 

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1st gear, throttle only wheelies are probably a lot safer. Just rev to 7~8K, release throttle 1sec, and 3/4 to full throttle when weight shifts forward.

And remember, when your gas tank is near empty, the bike will come up much faster so be careful. One day you try on a full tank, it might not come up so much... another day you try on an empty tank and you almost flip the bike.

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can you expain that just a little better, to make sure i understand it correctly? thanks !

 

first off, i don't ever reccomend clutched first gear wheelies, they are bad new, i don't even reccomend the clutch at all, my f4 has plenty of power to get the front wheel up with a bounce in 2nd, and 3rd... 3rd is not a good idea untill you get the whole footbrake controll thing down (there is literally no engine breaking in thrid)

but... if you want to learn how to wheelie, you may put the bike down... going fast, so take that into consideration... i almost did it a few weeks ago the first time doing a long donwhill wheelie, there was a dip in the road and i literally fell off the back of the bike and was dragging behind it and somehow i recovered through all the rear wheel going back and forth and tank slap... thank god... anyway

get on the highway with no one around and put it in third at about 50mph stand up, compress your front shock and at the very bottom of the travel, let off the compresstion and gas it, as far as you can go... you aren't trying to actually wheelie, you are now trying to get your timing down... if you can bounce it in third and get the front wheel off the ground about 6-10 inches, you will be amazed at how easy it is in 2nd.

after you practice your timing, throw it in 2nd... bounce the front end, and at the bottom of the travel, snap the throttle and lean back a little, the front end should stand up and you will probly freak out and **** your pants and the front end will come slamming down, don't worry, and the best place to be practicing this is on a slight uphill... mush less likley to flip over... get the bike to about 10 or 11 oclock and practice your balance... in about 2 days of practice after i got my timing down i was rolling about a 1/4 mile...

its not about gaining speed in a wheelie, its about being able to hold it at a constant speed and have very good throttle controll. the guys that are good, who ive seen at shows can pull in the clutch on a wheelie and just coast... which is crazy hard... if you want to do power wheelies stay sitting down, and just get on it, the front end will com e up and you will run out of RPM's ... thats my advice... im not a stunna haha but i really love wheelies, dont' flame me please

hope this helped man... be carefull, and the best advice i can ever give you is, if you are scared to dump your bike, don't even try them, because you will.

 

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Ok... I have a '04 R6 and its got a lot of pull on 1st gear so it's fairly easy to lift off on 1st gear w/o the clutch. Most newer 600's should be very easy to lift on 1st w/o the clutch.

I usually accelerate at a moderate to high briskness up to about 8K in 1st gear. Just enough acceleration to compress the rear shock. (Too fast acceleration will actually decompress the rear shock)

Then I make sure my weight is on my heels and my *** is barely sitting on the seat. This will make it a lot easier to lift the front because now the weight of your body is lower on the bike.

At 7~8K, while accelerating, I'll close throttle so my bike will compress the front forks through engine braking. Within 0.5~1.0 sec of release, I'll open about 3/4 throttle very fast.

Now, your front end will come up quickly and this might be scarey at 1st. But try and try again.

After a few tries, you'll notice that unless your bike is at the balance point (almost verticle), you'll need to give gradual acceleration from that 3/4 point, just to keep the front end up. If you get to this point, it'll be a smooth, fast, accelerating wheelie.

Sooner or later, you'll get to the balance point and ride it as long as you want. This will require precise throttle control. If you're not smooth on turns yet, I wouldn't try wheelies. Learn to ride 1st. Learn to show off later.

Just remember, while attempting wheelies, you'll cover ground really fast. So make sure you've got a lot of smooth pavement in front and to the sides of you.

I'd also recommend a steering damper. Sometimes when you land crooked, it gets kinda hairy.

Have fun, wear gear (especially a long back protector like the Alpinestars Tech that'll cover your tail bone), and be careful.

 

good advice H22

 

H22 said it perfecly! id just like to add my 2Cents. You may not be the person that wants to go around doing trickes and all that, but hey when i first got my bike i said the same thing. lol but even IF you want to baby you bike all the time and never speed, it is stil good to be ably to control you bike when the font wheel is up. that way when it does hapen "by accident" you know what to do. about the stearing damper, ive seen some serious crashes when front wheel is set back down at high speed. dont worry unless you planning on doing it on the freeway at high speeds. ive set my bike down at 30mph with the wheel at about 40 deg without crashing so it all depends on speed, well sortof... good luck and let us know when you got it down.

 

i can only get it up like 4 inches ... goin up a hill ... in the top of 1st. This is on a '90 FZR 600

 

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'87 FZ600, the only way I can pick it up is using the clutch.

 

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Did you try what I said? If you did and couldn't lift the front much, you're probably not twisting the throttle open enough.

 

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'87 FZ600, the only way I can pick it up is using the clutch.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i've been told not to do it that way, so i havn't tried that.

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Did you try what I said? If you did and couldn't lift the front much, you're probably not twisting the throttle open enough.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ya i did, i'm at like half throttle, i left off and bounce the front end, and on the way back up i twist it as much as i can, or at least i think i am. I got it up a little higher today, but i'm gonna have my friend try it and see what he can do.

 

Tie a fifty pound cinderblock to the pillion-seat on your bike.

 

Just want to make note that your bike does in fact have enough torque to pull a wheelie in first gear without clutching it, so don't expect it not to ever hit 12 oclock in first because it most certainly can. You'll be surprised how fast that bike will come up and over you. Happened to me.

Not trying to scare ya, just a heads up!

 

Thanks everyone for the info/help : ...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDMGSRCRX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So I've been riding for about 6 months now...I ride an '04 GSXR600 by the way...and I've been getting more and more comfortable with it each day I ride it....

Well I was riding last night and I was merging onto the I2 freeway coming from the I5 here in socal...It was pretty late at night and I decided to take this turn easy because it's kinda tricky...For the people in socal....I hope you know which freeway im talking about...It's a smooth banked right turn which gradually sharpens towards the end near the atwater/dodger stadium area....

Well I took it easy on the turn but opened the throttle once I reached the exit of the turn.....I was at about 7,000 or 8,000 rpm when I grabbed a handful of throttle (which I normally dont do but couldnt resist because of the open freeway) and suddenly I feel some kind of lightness in the front and let go of the throttle and suddenly I felt my front end come down....

I dont know how high I got..But it wasnt too high because I could still kinda see the road ahead of me...but just enough to see my lights bounce and feel the shocks absorb it...It felt good for some reason..but at the same time scary....Good because I know my 600 has enough torque, although some people doubt that it does, to do something like that....But scary cuz damm...I've never popped a wheelie before..nor have i really tried....This was totally unintentional...

So my question is, For those of you who are really experienced riders, what tips would you guys have on what to do when the front end comes up like that?...Should I ride it out WOT and let the front end come down without worrying about busting a 12 o'clock...Would that even happen? or should I let off the throttle like I did...Should I hug the tank with my knee's? Lean forward and pray?...What's the best thing to do without compromising my exit speed....

I know I could just take it easier and this might not happen....but I couldnt resist WOT'n late at night with no traffic in here socal....I dont **** around in the daytime when there's traffic....I only **** around when I endanger myself and not others...hehe</TD></TR></TABLE>

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