Quick rant about the incessant misinformation on this forum. Hard to eliminate misinformation with less moderation.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1057040

I'd love to hear you guys who say that 'ITBs are the way to go or nothing at all' to show us some information proving ITB's are *always* better.

...Especially on street car applications, since we all know that a vast majority in this forum are not racers with trailered cars. Heck, even for track/street cars.

Point is - you CAN'T. So stop spreading your misinformation. This is just one of many, many examples of people spouting off about things they know NOTHING about. Most of you don't know a damned thing about the stuff talked about in other forums (like over/under camming an engine, just to touch the surface, or like the blanket statement that "2.5 inch piping is the best for everything" - some of you don't even know how to calculate compression ratio yet you spout off about it all the time!). Hell, I don't know jack **** about this stuff, but at least I don't spout off like I know.

Like everything lately in this forum - 99% of the talk about ITB's in this forum is pure fluff, the latest fad, for people to drool over, and put on their street cars that are more heavily modified than some race cars. Talking about the latest cool 'jdm' stuff is fine - but don't talk tech when you don't know!

Like I said. Just an example. If you don't know your physics - don't argue with El Pollo Diablo. huhu.

It's hard to read this forum when there is so much misinformation. Sure, it has always been there, but it is way more prevalent than ever - and if you care about this forum, you'd keep quiet instead of loading up every thread with a bunch of crap.

I know there are a ton of members still reading this forum - maybe not posting as much or not having as much time. That's cool. Who has the energy or the time to argue with everything in this forum anyways? It's impossible. Plus there are a lot of people who would like to FIGHT about how their info is actually correct when in fact it is total BS.

If you don't know - ask. If you don't know... keep quiet and search h-t and the interweb.

My apologies to the dwindling number of intelligent, coherent, friendly, and helpful members. and racers with trailered cars.

Chris - who wishes he had RR98ITR's power to put a voodoo hex (of not speaking total BS) on joo all.

 

I love j00 Chris

 

Shudup Chris

but I do see a ton of mis leading information on here, and thats just not cool


I hope I'm not a mis-informed f00l

 

its gotten so bad, even Reid had to come out of retirement

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlueR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its gotten so bad, even Reid had to come out of retirement </TD></TR></TABLE>

such a shame, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlueR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its gotten so bad, even Reid had to come out of retirement </TD></TR></TABLE>

I've always enjoyed his "iron fist" moderation style.

 

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I've always enjoyed his "iron fist" moderation style. </TD></TR></TABLE>

it works though....

....hell if you can scare enough people, then maybe they will think twice before posting dumb ****!

 

more moderation is like the war on drugs...pointless

if people DO THEIR RESEARCH first, and then if they cant weed through the bullshit, then they need to ask in the forum. simple as that.

im not here enough anymore to care anyway

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlueR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its gotten so bad, even Reid had to come out of retirement </TD></TR></TABLE>

Just proves that Reid has a life and that he in some way leaves it up to the more mature, informed menbers to help moderate the ITR forum.

 

this seems to be an ongoing hot topic. i for one don't believe it too much moderation. that's along the lines of a dictatorship. last time i checked, this is honda-tech and NOT north korea.
misinformation is everywhere so why would it be so suprising to find it here. most intellegent people can figure out that itb's is going a bit extreme for your daily driver but even that can be a matter of opinion. that's what makes honda-tech fun in a way. you get to laugh at retard answers like, yeah individual throttle bodys, and turbo with a rollcage is right for everyone, and that includes grampa too.
i say flame away at the retards, take it easy on the newbies, and keep this place light hearted.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stock steve &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i say flame away at the retards, take it easy on the newbies, and keep this place light hearted.</TD></TR></TABLE>

amen

 

1. Saying that misinformation is everywhere and that we should ignore/accept it doesn't fly with me. It's our choice as the members whether or not we make this forum worthwhile. With the exception of the Expo/track related threads, there is not much in the way of worthwhileness any longer. That's our fault for accepting it.

2. I like Reid's style of moderating. Lock what is necessary, ignore the OT funny banter. He also has the knowledge to bebunk a lot of people throwing out bad information. We need more of that from the members. But.. it's taxing and annoying. Who wants to start a flame war every five minutes? Since no one can actually admit they are wrong, this stuff becomes a battle each and every time.

3. People do not do research. It's a pipe dream to think people will research before posting. (i know some do, but not the ones we are bitching about)

The moderation seems to be broad and far reaching, meaning anything OT will get locked. What we need and I think what we had in the past is locking threads that NEED to be locked, ignoring the OT that makes this forum what it is, and challenging those who offer up BS information.

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I love j00 Chris
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And no Jon, you can't have my bud light.

 

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And no Jon, you can't have my bud light. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I dont want you j00r headache in a can anywhOOO

I will have a LAGER though ....w@@t

 

ITB's&lt;IDB

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stock steve &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i for one don't believe it too much moderation. that's along the lines of a dictatorship. last time i checked, this is honda-tech and NOT north korea.
misinformation is everywhere so why would it be so suprising to find it here. most intellegent people can figure out that itb's is going a bit extreme for your daily driver but even that can be a matter of opinion. that's what makes honda-tech fun in a way. you get to laugh at retard answers like, yeah individual throttle bodys, and turbo with a rollcage is right for everyone, and that includes grampa too.
i say flame away at the retards, take it easy on the newbies, and keep this place light hearted.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Common mistake #1 - messageboards are not democracies

Misinformation spreads. Sitting back and allowing it only serves to make it worse. Relying on member flaming to control the forum just serves to create a negative atmosphere where everyone is looking for something to criticize.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Saying that misinformation is everywhere and that we should ignore/accept it doesn't fly with me. It's our choice as the members whether or not we make this forum worthwhile. </TD></TR></TABLE>

http://www.techcentralstation.com/111504A.html

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Relying on member flaming to control the forum just serves to create a negative atmosphere where everyone is looking for something to criticize.
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Chris is just mad cause he bought into the Hype... R

 

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Common mistake #1 - messageboards are not democracies

Misinformation spreads. Sitting back and allowing it only serves to make it worse. Relying on member flaming to control the forum just serves to create a negative atmosphere where everyone is looking for something to criticize.
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i'm not saying we would be better off and let everything go (anarchy). my point is that it seems like people are so suprises when they see a false statement on here, oh how can it be this is honda-TECH. i think some moderation is good but we're all adults and most of us don't need to have our hands held. well maybe a few of the people in here do, but does that mean everyone should be under a iron fist because of it. policing the crap out of this form will not eliminate misinformation, thats not to say that it's not worth trying to eliminate it, but what one person see's as misinformation is not always what other people see especially when it comes to cars.

 

This has been a pretty damn touchy topic lately. Though, my membership here on H-T has been relatively short compared to many of the members here, I can say that in just a short period of time I have noticed a bit more of what Chris N is ranting about.

I feel this problem precipitates from many things that we as individual entities have little to no control over. Americans, in general, are very impatient people and we have been raised to get information or whatever it is that we need to get, buy, find out or do, ASAP. Unfortunately this is the way it is, and it's not going away anytime soon. Companies, corporations, and people are always in this constant struggle to get things done faster than the next guy. That is fine by me, but many people that make these things happen are so worried about getting things done so quickly that they forget to learn the skills it takes to get information and do whatever it is they need to do with the recources are not redily available. Such as life, though it has gotten progressively worse over the generations.

How does this effect the community here on H-T? Well, those very people also surf the net and some of those people make up apart of this community. Those people post misinformation.

Fortunately there is hope. There is hope because the core that makes up the H-T community and those that just visit from time to time make up a small percentage in the general population. Because of this, we can affect people easier because the population is so small. Though the people that are irritated by these people need to flex those 'patience' skills if your going to get anywhere. Possitive change does not happen over night. It is a process of positive reinforcement, patience and time.

As an example (and I've mentioned this many times before): When I post something that I find is misinformative, I openly admit that I was wrong, go and research the information and correct where it's needed. This is a skill than many should learn and is something personally that you all should learn to accept in yourself if you are lacking this personal quality. Not only will you sound like what your talking about, but you will feel more confident as a person with positive reinforcement by the comments left by your peers.

Alot of people on H-T do not openly admit they are wrong. Instead the topic turns into threats and creates a negative vibe for those who took the time to read it. Simply grab your nuts and take responsibility for being a dumb *** and correct yourself. Life will carry on a lot smoother than snapping at the very people who correct you.

Despite the sheer lack of intelligence that seems to frequent this website, I still find it entertaining and informative. There is a lot of potential and positive things to be done on this website. Don't give up on it just yet.

Aloha,
Brandon

I'm a horrible speller.

 

I'd still rock ITBs on a street car. Even gas ported 86mm pistons.

 

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So would I:



Shweetness!

Anton - who understands Chris's position and has shared more frustration with this issue than he cares to remember.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stock steve &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> i think some moderation is good but we're all adults and most of us don't need to have our hands held. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't agree. Most of us on here are not capable of being mature adults if left alone. I think we as a whole have proven that lately.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well maybe a few of the people in here do, but does that mean everyone should be under a iron fist because of it. policing the crap out of this form will not eliminate misinformation, thats not to say that it's not worth trying to eliminate it, </TD></TR></TABLE>

No offense, but how long have you been here?

Things were much better when Reid and other mods were bashing members for their BS answers, and being intollerant of intelligent-looking (read: misinformation presented in a gramatically acceptable manner) posters who were passing on bad info. The site was much better then because people challenged others more often. The newer, younger members seem to think they have some god given right to post whatever they want with no recourse, and they mostly don't care what anyone thinks (like the guy with the 'what do you guys want?' threads).

It worked.

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but what one person see's as misinformation is not always what other people see especially when it comes to cars.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That is bullshit. Misinformation is information that is not true. There is no subjectivity about this kind of thing - its either right or wrong. If you are going to offer an opinion, please at least know the definition (of the word in question). Your statement makes absolutely no sense.

 

I've been informed that the problem is that ITR's are available for cheap these days, opening up the ownership population to a much wider range of people.

Apparently, this is happening on other sites too.

Regardless of all that, I'd like to call the dogs back to terrorize and flame anyone who posts BS information. If it has to be done with an iron fist, fine! Who cares? Do you really want people breaking all the forum rules and dumbing down this site because they don't have enough brains to know better than to post BS? I don't.

Haleiwa - While I agree with you that most people want the quick answer and no details (which is bad), the quality of the site has fallen significantly. That type of attitude (the dont search before asking and posting crap) was not tollerated in the past. Some people offering opinions (no offense to anyone) do not have much historical perspective on this forum. Hell, i was here 2.5 yrs too late! But it was WAY different in 2002. And i know from browsing many forums during 2000-2001 (including h-t) that things have gone downhill in general since then. All you have to do is read any one of many archived threads from 00-02 and even 03 to see what i'm talkin about.

It's probably too far gone to fix.. but I for one don't post much anymore (haha, hard to tell when you have 10k posts) except in spurts because there are very few topics worth getting involved in. Lots of opinions, very little substance.

 

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No more typing for me today.

 

:Gives Chris a Hug: "It's going to be ok."

If your this aggravated with it just think how easily we (The Mods) get aggrevated about it. I hate misinformation and whenever I see it I make a point to call out that person for making false statements. However I am only on so much and I'm usually doing alot of in behind the scenes Mod stuff for the whole HT Site. If people see threads with posts that are full of misinformation one of the fastest and best ways to get it taken care of is Clicking the "Report to Mod" button. That way we see it asap and take care of it