k i got a 98 type r

the mods are:
cai intake
light weight flywheel
act clutch
brand new tranny
aem fuel rail.

it runs pretty good, as i had the car dyno tuned...

anyway i want to start some kind of amature road racing.
hell whats the cheapest i could turn my itr into a full out race car
what should i get, but keep in mind that im on a tight buget.
what will i need on my car to be competive.

here is a pic of my typie



i have already been out at the track a few times this summer just on lapping days etc.

alll input wanted plz

 

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If you have to ask, it's more than you can afford.

 

Ben,

Start out doing lapping days or HPDE's. The cost is much less then W2W racing. The average HPDE weekend will run you less then 1/2 of a W2W weekend.

I would say that a racing weekend costs around $1000 all said and done.

Get your career on track and then think about racing.



Oh, and your ITR is already "track ready."

Good luck.

BTW, where are you from? It looks like North East from the pics....

 

All you have to do to get an ITR track ready is flush the brake fluid and get new pads. Thats it... seriously.

Edit: Check here too:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=972109

 

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hell whats the cheapest i could turn my itr into a full out race car</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's easy. Sell it. Buy another one.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but keep in mind that im on a tight buget.
what will i need on my car to be competive.</TD></TR></TABLE>

"tight budget" is too vague. I consider a tight budget to be less than $500 per weekend (most will say this is WAY to little to even consider) once the car is already built and 100% reliable. If you figure a build-as-you-go budget with a less-than-100%-reliable car, you're looking at $1000 per weekend as a very, very tight budget (AKA, not going to win any races, but you should be able to finish them).

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Freeltec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ka full out race car</TD></TR></TABLE>

This one always makes me chuckle.

You have no idea what you're getting yourself into

 

The cheapest way:

Sell your car, buy a racecar that is already built. Race in a 'cheaper' class (i.e. Spec Miata, H4/H5, ITA, ITB, or ITC). Even better, race go karts.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Freeltec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anyway i want to start some kind of amature road racing.
hell whats the cheapest i could turn my itr into a full out race car
what should i get, but keep in mind that im on a tight buget.
what will i need on my car to be competive.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The thoughts above contradict themselves. Seriously, if you're on a budget, forget about being "competitive". Bare minimum, you'll need all the safety prep, transponder, etc. My suggestion, if you're truly set on racing your ITR, would be to work on that stuff first and just go have fun your first year of racing. Then, if you're in a more "budget-friendly" position, worry about being "competitive". Just my two cents, but that's what I did

I generally agree with the "build before buy" standpoint, but I love my car and I knew when I bought it that I wanted to race it.

 

What everyone is trying to tell you is that there is road-racing and then there is driving on a track (HPDE and lapping days)

For HPDE and lapping days your cost is the following:
$200-$800 for a helmet (get a Snell SA2000 do not get a Snell M2000)
The cost of the event (between $150 and $300 per day)
Some accelerated wear on brake pads and rotors and tires (figure $100 per day)
and, here's the big cost:
You may wreck your car and your insurance may not cover it.
If you are not willing to take that risk or you cannot afford it then do not do an HPDE or lappping day.
Also, you might kill yourself (its happened to others, its a risk you should consider)


For road racing you need:
A dedicated race car with full roll cage and full safety gear ($8000 - $150000)
A tow vehicle ($10000-$40000)
A trailer ($1500-$10000)
$500-$1000 per weekend for tires, brakes, entry fees
Full personal safety gear (helmet suit gloves shoes) $1000-$2500
And the list goes on and on.

Clearly you cannot afford to go racing. But whether you can afford to do HPDEs is up to you.

If HPDEs are still too rich for your blood or you do not want to accept the risks then consider autocrossing. Autocrossing can be as cheap as $20 per day. You can learn car control as well at an autocross as at an HPDE. Many of the thrills of racing are similar in autocross.

Autocrossing costs are:
A helmet (Snell M2000 is fine) ($100-$500)
Entry fee ($20-$40 per day)
Accelerated tire wear (you might go through a set of tires in 1 year rather than 3)

There is some extra risk to your car and your insurance might not cover it. But autocrossing accidents are very few (maybe one minor one every 20 events) as opposed to HPDEs where there usually is a major towable accident every event.

As far as your personal safety goes, it is about as safe as driving on the street. In the history of autocross (30+ years) only 6 people have died and 4 of those were from heart attack or stroke. There are several road racing deaths in the US every year.

You can find out about autocross events in your area by going to scca.com and looking for solo 2 or ask about events here in this forum and let us know where you are from.

regards,
Alan

 

There's an easy test, if you are serious: Post the balance of your savings account, your current credit card load, and your monthly net income. I guarantee that I can point you at the solution that is best for you.

It's a harsh game.

K

 

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If you have to ask, it's more than you can afford. </TD></TR></TABLE>

So true.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 00R101 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As far as your personal safety goes, it is about as safe as driving on the street. In the history of autocross (30+ years) only 6 people have died and 4 of those were from heart attack or stroke. There are several road racing deaths in the US every year.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Source?

 

I'll echo the voices of reason in saying that this is an expensive-*** game. If you can't pay, don't play.

Here's what I see as the cheapest that you could get your car prepped for:

Roll cage - $1000
Harness and window net - $200
Dot 4+ brake fluid - &lt; $100
Track worthy brake pads - $250
Fire extinguisher - $50
Rims + Tires - $1200
Racing suit/gloves/shoes - $500
Helmet - I assume you have one since you've done lapping days
Oil change w/ good synthetic oil - $50

Total - $3350

*Don't forget about the $500-$1000 per weekend though.

I'm probably forgetting obvious things but those are the basics. This assumes that you'd be able to drive your car to and from the track. You'd have to find a way to get the extra tires/rims there and some tools and things. Also, remember that if you're not towing and something goes wrong at the track (and it always does in my experience), you're stuck.

IMO, you're better off buying something cheaper, already built and, slower to start out in. I am just about ready to start racing in January and with all things included, it has taken me about $25,000 (including prebuilt car and $13k for a mediocre tow vehicle) to get to this point. If you don't wanna spend that kind of money, just do lapping days. It's still a ton of fun!

- Scott

 

ok. a few things to clear up.

im from canada. ontario

i already spent last season racing go-karts.
so i understand flags etc.

i went for one lapping day before on the track.
when i was there it was the best time of my life. all the car i was racing against were all street cars, a lot of wrx's, and i was really impressed with the abilities of my car. it seemed like i could brake a lot later then the other guys (wrx's) my car was faster in the turns aswell. i was suprized at this b/c wrx's are know for their handling and it felt as if i could out handle them on the track. i would heel and toe downshift as to get rpms up to down shift before the turn. i loved it. complete adreline rush. i am definetly no pro but i do feel as i have some natural ability.
i guess i cant affoed to go full out race... but was wondering how much it would cost... apparently too much. but i would like to compete in just some events where i could go cageless but with a helmet. when i went lapping last time i put down a total for like 1.5 hours track time. i noticed after a while my tires got all gooey and the front would lock up(abs) more frequently on braking... as the car got hot i guess... anyway i loved it and its gotta be the biggest rush ever. and i love my typie too.

anyway more imput is welcome boys

 

so i should get...
helmet
racing fluid
pads
rotors???????


hood pins????? cause i got a cf hood???
dont really want in busting open on the track

tires????? yah what tires.... azenis???? i dont ahve too much $$$


Modified by Freeltec at 8:16 PM 11/13/2004

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Freeltec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im not worried about killing myself... when i do go i know it will be behing the wheel. live by the car die by the car.

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you need to hit the escape button and exit whatever fantasy video game world you are in and come back to earth...its really not that bad of a place

 

Wow.

Uhh, IBTL.

 

soooo..... back to my R thanks


Modified by Freeltec at 8:49 PM 11/13/2004

 

Oooh my.

 

turn around, and run, don't walk, away from road racing. It's expensive. It's tiring. And it's too much fun to stop once you start.

I'm in Manitoba, Canada, and it is super cheap to race here, as far as entry and club membership goes. But I still figure total cost of $2000cdn/weekend for a season of 5 race weekends, with 3 races per day. That is not counting wear on motor/shocks/chassis. That is AFTER the car is built, and I've already got all my safety equipment and license, and that does not factor in anything breaking. My car is competitive here, but I don't think it would be in the bigger SCCA ITA groups.

I thought I could afford it, when I started (age 20) but now that I'm a little older and wiser, I'm starting to wonder.
$20/day at autocross is sounding pretty appealing

 

you can't afford to go road-racing pal.

here is the finacial committment required to go road-racing:

-Take $50,000+ and put it in a shoe-box
-soak the shoe-box in gasoline
-light it on fire.

Can you afford to do that? Methinks you can't based on comments like these

tires????? yah what tires.... azenis???? i dont have too much $$$


What's wrong with staying in karts? They are faster than your ITR will ever be, and it sounds like you have the experience/already have a cart.

 

word.
yah i cant exactly aford the shoe box deal...
im 20 and in my 2nd year of college.
so money as of right now is tight... im hoping to be seeing like 5g by spring to be tossed car wards.

yeah i obviously cant afford racing at a professional level, but the hpde seems like a good place to start for me. i would just like to work on my skill and my line also.

karting was ok, but then after when i had my R out on the track... it was so much more intence then the karts were.

 

start doing something cheap like autoX or the occasional HPDE. When you think you're ready (financially) to move to W2W racing, wait another 5 years, then go at it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Freeltec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so i should get...
helmet
racing fluid
pads
rotors???????


hood pins????? cause i got a cf hood???
dont really want in busting open on the track

tires????? yah what tires.... azenis???? i dont ahve too much $$$


Modified by Freeltec at 8:16 PM 11/13/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>

no need to get rotors ... the stock ITR rotors will work well

hood pins are just for easy access .. you're hood will not fly open on the track if you still have the stock latch functioning properly

tires is up to you, but if you want to HPDE often, it's worth buying some track tires ... our spec tire for HC is the Toyo RA-1 ... they're not expensive (as racing tires go) and they're sticky as hell ... stay on street tires until you've learned the limits though ... they'll give you a lot more warning when you're approaching traction limits than racing tires do, however, if you're not on high performance summer only tires you're just gonna cook them

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Freeltec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">word.
yah i cant exactly aford the shoe box deal...
im 20 and in my 2nd year of college.
so money as of right now is tight...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Then you cant afford to race. Bottom line. Stick with DE's (those are NOT racing!) and autox. When you get out of school, get a good job, then you can worry about racing, but even then it may be a while.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Freeltec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">all the car i was racing against were all street cars, a lot of wrx's</TD></TR></TABLE>

HPDE != Racing

And while this is fun, it is also serious fun. If you dont have your head on straight, or take it lightly you could end up wrecking your car, hurting yourself, or worse hurting an instructor. Its not a game.