I guess this should be a annual thing. Anyone pushing for any changes?

I did hear something about limiting turbo size next year, either turbo or some
kind of restricter. Any thought's? I'd hate to have to go out and get a new turbo,
or overspeed the one I have because of a restricter.

Steve

 

restricting turbo size in this class would be rediculous in my opinion.

1. the size of the turbo on these cars is very low on the list of what actually gets the car running a good number. just look at jasons crx for example.

2. the already in place rules limiting tire size, wheelie bars, and weight are already enough to keep the class under control.

as much as i try not to be partial to any of the sanctioning bodies, i really think NHRA's rules are the closest to what the spirit of this class is and should be about. i doubt limiting turbo size would help anyone in the end. actually, it would make it harder for alot of the present cars to stay competative.

 

Karl you dont know what your talking about. according to honda-tech you need a 78 dual ball bearing to go low 10s high 9s. jason hunt runs a t99 on his crx...hahahha only if people really knew

seriously sport fwd is dying becasue people cant complete. This class was built for the average guy who drives his street car to come participate. not like ali afshar and people to go build a full blown race motor for this class. some people in the all motor street class with aluminum rods and methonal, and cars that cant stay on for more then 5 mins cus it will over heat

 

well what kind of turbo size are we talking about??? i mean, we have all witnessed a medium sized t4 run 9.60's all day long. 9.8/9.9 all day long with no nitrous in sport fwd trim. i mean, what are we talking??? if they are thinking about changing rules, make sure they have ALL the facts straight about what turbos are out there in which cars.............

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by camp1320.com &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Karl you dont know what your talking about. according to honda-tech you need a 78 dual ball bearing to go low 10s high 9s. jason hunt runs a t99 on his crx...hahahha only if people really knew

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t88 baby..........t88.

 

If they do cut the turbo down in size you know we will just find another way to
go fast. Not gonna slow us down at all.

 

I agree with Karl. I think that the rules that they have set are just fine. I hope that they do not try and limit the class but if they do then like Steve said people will find another way to go fast. :thumbsup: to Steve.
-thomas

 

Interesting topic!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by camp1320.com &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Karl you dont know what your talking about. according to honda-tech you need a 78 dual ball bearing to go low 10s high 9s. jason hunt runs a t99 on his crx...hahahha only if people really knew

seriously sport fwd is dying becasue people cant complete. This class was built for the average guy who drives his street car to come participate. not like ali afshar and people to go build a full blown race motor for this class. some people in the all motor street class with aluminum rods and methonal, and cars that cant stay on for more then 5 mins cus it will over heat </TD></TR></TABLE>

Tom you make some good points.

 

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seriously sport fwd is dying becasue people cant complete. This class was built for the average guy who drives his street car to come participate. not like ali afshar and people to go build a full blown race motor for this class. some people in the all motor street class with aluminum rods and methonal, and cars that cant stay on for more then 5 mins cus it will over heat </TD></TR></TABLE>

I think it would be neat to have a "True" Street class, where they run the elimination rounds one after another..... ie. If you win round 1 then you immediately return to the staging lanes and run round two...etc. No stopping in the pits.

Then competitors will have to worry about overheating and a large enough fuel cell.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Steve_M &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> a large enough fuel cell.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't recall cells being legal in any fwd street class?

Sam

 

My bad, what I meant wasn't what I typed.

I meant that they would need to ensure they had enough fuel in the car.

 

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I don't recall cells being legal in any fwd street class?

Sam</TD></TR></TABLE>

ndra it is

 

DOnt you guys know you are gonna get your ***** handed to you by the new cobalts or ions? 900hp with an automatic. Easy 8 second setup.

To keep the sfwd class manageable some limitations will have to apply. Add weight to the automatics maybe. Limit the turbo and slick size maybe. I dont know but this class will be so uneven next year just like hot rod was this year.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by catchawave &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">DOnt you guys know you are gonna get your ***** handed to you by the new cobalts or ions? 900hp with an automatic. Easy 8 second setup.

To keep the sfwd class manageable some limitations will have to apply. Add weight to the automatics maybe. Limit the turbo and slick size maybe. I dont know but this class will be so uneven next year just like hot rod was this year.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly what I was thinking. I believe people are looking at this from the perspective of what went on this season...not what is coming next season. As soon as the corporate backed cars show up its a whole new ballgame.

 

I just want NHRA to dump the OEM fuel tank rule and the muffler rule. that money can go else where.

And before I get hounded with the "dosent affect performance" "spirit of a street car" sayings, thats not my point.

How many of you guys have a friends with old school muscle cars with a fuel caeel in the back? How many times have you been to the track and watched some guys running brackets pull the exhaust and run open header?

Worst case senerio, you get squirlly top end ( you know the average low 10 sec/ 140mph honda ), would you rather have a sumped OEM tank or a real SFI fuel cell as you head towards the wall backwards?

Its just one more thing that seperates NHRA and NDRA.

(puts on flame suit)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b18cx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just want NHRA to dump the OEM fuel tank rule and the muffler rule. that money can go else where.

And before I get hounded with the "dosent affect performance" "spirit of a street car" sayings, thats not my point.

How many of you guys have a friends with old school muscle cars with a fuel caeel in the back? How many times have you been to the track and watched some guys running brackets pull the exhaust and run open header?

Worst case senerio, you get squirlly top end ( you know the average low 10 sec/ 140mph honda ), would you rather have a sumped OEM tank or a real SFI fuel cell as you head towards the wall backwards?

Its just one more thing that seperates NHRA and NDRA.

(puts on flame suit)</TD></TR></TABLE>


oem tank cause it is not in the compartment with me

 

anyone know about ruling on aftermarket gear sets or transmisions?

 

we hit the wall at over 140 with the oem tank... I walked away . I think d.o.t. does a good job safety wise

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by littlebluecrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">we hit the wall at over 140 with the oem tank... I walked away . I think d.o.t. does a good job safety wise </TD></TR></TABLE> I promis you I dont want to hit the wall looking at it. If I have a choice I would back it in too.

Jason, I figured you would be at SEMA?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by catchawave &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I promis you I dont want to hit the wall looking at it. If I have a choice I would back it in too.

Jason, I figured you would be at SEMA?</TD></TR></TABLE> hehehe
got a plane ride tommorow, 1st time in vegas should be fun

 

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got a plane ride tommorow, 1st time in vegas should be fun </TD></TR></TABLE>

Good Luck.

 

If they do institute a turbo rule I be it will affect less than 25% of the cars competing. The majority run smaller turbos than most people think, and if the turbo restriction is smaller than I'm guessing and does hurt a few people, you'll just see more nitrous.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b18cx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just want NHRA to dump the OEM fuel tank rule and the muffler rule. that money can go else where.

And before I get hounded with the "dosent affect performance" "spirit of a street car" sayings, thats not my point.

How many of you guys have a friends with old school muscle cars with a fuel caeel in the back? How many times have you been to the track and watched some guys running brackets pull the exhaust and run open header?

Worst case senerio, you get squirlly top end ( you know the average low 10 sec/ 140mph honda ), would you rather have a sumped OEM tank or a real SFI fuel cell as you head towards the wall backwards?

Its just one more thing that seperates NHRA and NDRA.

(puts on flame suit)</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think you are dead on with this post. The fuel cell doesn't bother me one bit, because like you said, you see muscle car/street rod, TRUE STREET CARS with them all the time (I see a car with a fuel cell literally every time I go to one of the local muscle car and street rod cruise-ins that my area has on the weekends in the spring and in the summer) , but beyond that, what in the hell does it matter? I've just never got the big stink about it. Yeah, I get the weight thing, but maybe the cars with fuel cells, could add a weight penalty based on how small the cell itself is or something to that affect. Because beyond weight, there is no disadvantage to a street car having one. In fact, from what I can tell, and even what you mentionend, there are only advantages. Well, I guess if you get a 2 gal. cell and you're passing everything on the street but a gas station, thats a disadavantage.

I guess the only thing I disagree with you on is the exhaust part. It's not that I believe that taking the exhaust off the car is going to somehow gain so much that the car is no longer the equivelant of a street car. However, the whole point is that racers take the exhaust off AT the track because they don't drive that way on the street. Therefore, shouldn't they race through the exhaust if they're supposed to be street cars? Like I said, it doesn't affect much, but if thats the way cars are on the street, then they should race that way if that class is called a street classs.

Good post!

EDIT: After reading the posts that were posted before I finished writing my post (watching the election, so I'm going back and forth between the computer and the tv.) I realized one bad thing about having the fuel cell. In the case of, for example, a crx or a civic hatchback, the cell is in the same compartment with you, with nothing between you and it. Hmmm, I don't know, I just assume everyone use the OEM tank and be done with it, but I don't get why if someone does use one, its a big deal.

 

My fuel cell thing is base on the common problems with a sumped system. I have a problem with the pump running lean on decel. Anything under 3/4 tank and the pump runs lean. Thats my biggest complaint. (using the Competition Engineering kit. )

A fuel cell would cut cost to a degree and it would be safer. I have seen them mounted in the stock tank location and work well. Zex man has his that way.

For me a fuel cell is a lot cheaper than spending the money again to redo the sump. And of course the fix is to basically build a fuel cell in the tank, which is not cheap.

Just trying to "sell" it with the idea of safty, theres no welds.

And on the exhaust, its again aimed more twards the cost cutting. Would rather invest the cost of the exhaust and the dyno time to tune with the exhaust on, into some other area of the car. Not to mention it would be one step closer to leveling out the differences between NHRA and NDRA.