sup everyone..my ideal goal overall is to bring my car into low 13's high 12's..just curious to know how much HP this would take in my 93' civic ex coupe 2dr..with full interior with the exception of my back seats and box on track runs..i plan on building a boosted 2nd gen B16a to do this..i just wanted to know what the ideal HP is on this setup should be for low 13's high 12's..my guess was around 280-300whp.. dunno about slicks either..i'd like to try this on street tires..but i would use slicks if it meant me breaking into the 12's..

 

Horsepower is not the only answer... If you cant hook you are not going to run right.. my two cents... but id say about 300 to run 12's

 

300whp on DR's should be a piece of cake.

 

engine swap and alot of other ****=3k engine 15k parts=10-11sec car

 

^^^^thats great genius..next time u should read the FIRST POST

 

just get a dumestic.....something with an ls1....outta the box fast

 

Its true that Power is not everything, 300hp might get you down the track in the time you want but lower HP but a more sutle power curve will also do it.. So don't concentrate on outright HP to get you there..

 

so what should i concentrate on?

 

honestly dude, with just a simple bolt on kit and low boost most people run the times your looking for easy. IMO

Keep everything simple so you dont have to worry about so many things at one time. Then after you run at the track a few times and get some input, then you can change and upgrade things here and there and eventually you WILL get faster.

 

215whp with slicks should do it. I have a 95 civic ex coupe (stock d16z6 turbo) with full interior and ran 13.3 @ 102mph with some 22 inch slicks my first time at the track. I wasn't launching as hard as I could have been, my suspension wasn't setup right, and I was shifting slow. I could have defintely improved by running a little less tire pressure, launching harder, and power shifting. My second time at the track on drag radials I ran a 13.4 @ 105mph. The next time I hit the track I am turning the boost up a bit and running my new 23 inch slicks, I should have no problem getting high 12's.

 

I have a 92 hatch all-motor K-series; complete interior that would put you in your target range......yours for $10K; you can drive it anywhere!

 

GSR Swap + 75shot

 

His d16z6 with a custom turbo kit will give him what he wants for less money than a swap and nitrous would cost him.

 

Well, there are cheaper ways to do it then I did. but I did it in 02' w/ a 2700lb integra(w/ driver) that went 12's on bfg drag radials w/ about 270whp. Basically the set up was a stock LS motor on 12psi of boost w/ a Revhard kit, Hondata, 3" exhaust, turbo xs mbc and ACT HS/SS clutch. Nowadays you could save alot of money by running uberdata and piecing together a kit through H-T sponsors/classifieds. Set up works well. been proven many times since then as well.

 

get u a stock b18b with lsd tranny and with someing like a stock drag3 kit and hondata and 550cc injectors , u can run high 12's with not much more then 250-270whp , u need the tq of the LS it helps

if u get a b16 your going to need 300whp if not a little more

 

Why are you guys so quick to swap in a b-series? His motor with a decent turbo setup will get him low 13's or high 12's. I know because I have did it!

 

I agree!!! but its just easier to make power more reliable in a twin cam!!

 

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but it will cost more...

like bbka said...a d16z6 with a custom turbo kit that is done with the right stuff will yeild him high 12's on slicks...

plus with the cost of a swap you could have built the SOCK and run low 12's.

 

lol..... back in october of 2000 this was my setup.

Stock 92 civic SI hatchback. only mods are as follows.

94 integra ls engine swap

ACT extreme 6 puck
rev hard stage 2 turbo kit @10 psi
thermal 3inch exhaust
kyb agx shocks with skunk coilovers
14inch konig burners with OLD STYLE BFG drag radials @ 10-12psi of air pressure

the car ran 12.4@112, 1.9 60ft...
how much power could have possibly been making ? 240 to the wheels?

 

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but it will cost more...

like bbka said...a d16z6 with a custom turbo kit that is done with the right stuff will yeild him high 12's on slicks...

plus with the cost of a swap you could have built the SOCK and run low 12's. </TD></TR></TABLE>

yea but peace of mind is priceless. this is one of the reasons i am going b18b turbo as opposed to z6 turbo(also cause my z6-t got stolen). im not saying it cant be done with the sohc, but it will take a few more psi and you will be on the edge of reliability with the sohc(head lifting, ringlands blabla).


the z6-t can do it, it will fail sooner or later, and the b18 will be slightly more reliable(these are all broad generalizations that represent the overall truth). if you got the money, take the b18b(and get a gsr tranny and/or lsd if u really got money). if not, the z6-t will be fun as **** to drive, and still get you your goals.

 

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if u get a b16 your going to need 300whp if not a little more </TD></TR></TABLE>

I completely disagree...i'd put my money on a b16 over a b18b in a drag race enviroment...im not saying its better for everday driving and downlow power..but think about where your rev's are in racing...not to mention how the b18b's falls off up top.

 

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I completely disagree...i'd put my money on a b16 over a b18b in a drag race enviroment...im not saying its better for everday driving and downlow power..but think about where your rev's are in racing...not to mention how the b18b's falls off up top.</TD></TR></TABLE>


mine seemed to fall off about 5500 rpm with the stock ls cams.

 

i really thought about turboing my z6 but the tranny on it is going and she is almost 12 years old come next year with 128,xxx miles on her..she has treated me good and i think its time for her to go out for pasture..all in all i really am leaning towards a b16 w LSD swap on boost for my goals..i think it will make for a real good street car and a pretty good weekend track car.. also i can get the b16 swap with LSD installed for 2700 bucks..which will give me more lead way to buy essentials like timing belt, water pump, mount kit, tune up, clutch etc etc..all the things needed to make the motor run 100% b4 boost is even considered..

more feedback is always wanted so lets please keep this thread going..

and lastly i'm not looking to have the fastest car on the streets..i just wanna be able to keep up or beat the likes of GTI's, M3's, V8's and so on..

 

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I completely disagree...i'd put my money on a b16 over a b18b in a drag race enviroment...im not saying its better for everday driving and downlow power..but think about where your rev's are in racing...not to mention how the b18b's falls off up top.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I am right there with you. With a B16 swap you get the awesome flowing head and the better short geared tranny (best for going fast). The b18b head flows like *** and has it has a shitty long geared tranny (not good for much). If you want more torque get yourself and LS block and swap that underneath your B16 head. It won't take much horsepower to reach your goals, with the right setup on slicks and around 300whp you will be flirting with 11's.