simple questions need simple answers..which engine would be better for my goal and why??

 

B18C with ease. Just a stronger platform in my opinion, crank girdel. Displacement is another.

 

i'm sorry please factori in costs..

 

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For the cost I would say the LS motor should be included

 

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b18b should be considered because they are a whole lot cheaper.

but the b18c1 gets there pretty easy too just costs a bit more. Although i got my swap in FL for $2000 and installed it myself. look at my sig for numbers.

 

i did it with a b16a with pistons n rods, stock everything else and a homemade/put together kit. nothing special. you can actualy find b16a's for pretty cheap.

 

na LS motor is out of the question cuz i'll be running n/a for quite some time after i get my swap and i don't want to be n/a with a crumy LS motor..

 

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140bhp vs. 170 bhp.... you're slow either way. If cost is important, then go LS, they're substantially cheaper and will get you to 300whp with ease.

 

spend the money and get a vtec engine, only need 300bhp can easily reach that number with low boost & vtec, unless a agressive cam is going to be purchased

 

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140bhp vs. 170 bhp.... you're slow either way. If cost is important, then go LS, they're substantially cheaper and will get you to 300whp with ease.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Heh...I know that 30hp difference doesn't seem like much, but driving an Integra LS and then a GSR is like a totally different experience. The GSr is so much more fun stock it's not even funny.

And once you start boosting, the GSR will outpower the LS exponentially pound for pound.

If you can't afford the gsr then by all means get the LS since it's a proven motor, but they are a mid range motor. Their top end is always a problem.

 

stock b16a2 w/ headgasket @ 7psi and i have 221whp....you can easily make up to 300whp on a stock b16a2 with just a headgasket/injectors/boost controller/tuned

 

My old stock b16 made over 310whp and lasted over a year..motor eventually went because of oil pump failure.

 

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Heh...I know that 30hp difference doesn't seem like much, but driving an Integra LS and then a GSR is like a totally different experience. The GSr is so much more fun stock it's not even funny.

And once you start boosting, the GSR will outpower the LS exponentially pound for pound.

If you can't afford the gsr then by all means get the LS since it's a proven motor, but they are a mid range motor. Their top end is always a problem. </TD></TR></TABLE>

The GSR definitly has more potential; I'd love to have one. If 300whp is your goal though, the LS is a cheaper and equally effective route. I wouldn't say the top-end of an LS is bad though, my LS has a very flat torque line from 4k-6.5k rpm. Power climbs til redline.

 

definitely easier to get there with a B18c. Not sure if a stock B16a has been taken that high before on stock internals. A Gsr would be able to get there at around 10-12 psi easy stock

 

ha...316whp on my ls on 10psi on 9:1 comp.

there's also another LS on here...he's stock and making a bit more than i am on 10psi.

and if you think an LS is **** for driving around...try swapping in a gsr or b16 tranny...it'll blow your freaken mind away. it's all about the torque.

 

I think any of those engines will get you there. I run the B16, #s are in my sig.

 

b16... with rods/pistons you can make like 350whp

 

seriously enough about the LS motor's torque..its like 10-15 more then other honda motors..soooo overrated... try arguing about 10-15lbs of torque to a domestic driver..seriously it just sounds stupid..

 

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dude...if you knew a thing or two about boosted hondas you'd understand. it's not just a difference of 10-15lbs of torque once and ls motor is boosted. try 50+wtq and it gets higher once the whp numbers get larger.

my buddy makes around 435whp and 393wtq...a B16 making 435whp would probably only push 270wtq give or take a few...over 100wtq difference, wouldn't you say that's something? sorry but 10-15ft lbs my ***.


Modified by shermanyang at 6:15 AM 10/28/2004

 

i'm talkin about stock for stock..even people that aren't boostin are always talkin about the LS's torque..

 

ive got a stock internal boosted R...


307 whp @ 7psi..

347 whp @ 11psi..