Be all, End all to Integra Knuckle conversion. If you've got an alignment print out, please post!
I've currently got a set of 90-93 Integra knuckles. I'm l<--->l this close to rebuilding them.
I'm wanting to use Integra knuckles to ease my ABS project.
But before I drop the $200++ I want to make sure I know what I'm getting into.
My car is a highway car It'll be dropped ~2" and I'm going for neutral settings all around, because...like I said...it's a highway car and mileage is my biggest concern. My car never touches the track.
Again, NEUTRALITY is what I'm aiming for.
Will I be able to get this out of the Integra knuckles dropped around 2"?
I'm wanting to use Integra knuckles to ease my ABS project.
But before I drop the $200++ I want to make sure I know what I'm getting into.
My car is a highway car It'll be dropped ~2" and I'm going for neutral settings all around, because...like I said...it's a highway car and mileage is my biggest concern. My car never touches the track.
Again, NEUTRALITY is what I'm aiming for.
Will I be able to get this out of the Integra knuckles dropped around 2"?
if you want it to ride lower and more like stock consider some front "drop forks" their shorter forks that drop your car. also i think some different rear trailing arms to lower it in the back would work.
i got DA brakes all around but still havent got aligment cause I want to get a camber kit for the front just in case. I really do need the aligment cause when i brake it pulls to the left side.
This is from Ben's web site:
Front suspension
Knuckles:
These, like the trailing arms, are really only changed because of the brakes. If you have a model that isn't an EX you have 9.5" brakes (the Si's may be a little bigger). If you have an EX you have 10.3" brakes. If you don't have an EX then you have really only 2 (good) choices: EX knuckles and DA teg knuckles.
The EX knuckles are regarded as the best knuckle upgrade for any EF civic. This is because they don't have any geometry differences and because they were "made" for a civic. The only problem with them is that they are a tad hard to find and become expensive if you want to get them from a junkyard with the brakes attached.
The DA knuckles (also with 10.3" brakes) on the other hand are plentiful, cheap and work great as well. They are, however, a bit heavier weighing in at 6lbs 7oz more per side than a full DX knuckle. Also, because they weren't made for any civic the geometry differences have been blown way out of proportion by message board folks and because of this, a lot of people are scared of the swap. The knuckles are ¼" taller than the civic knuckles but really, it is nothing. It raises the roll center ever so slightly and makes the camber curve a tiny bit more aggressive. So what? Who said the geometry was perfect to begin with? And caster is NOT affected by knuckles. It is determined by the ball joint locations on the control arms. So stop saying the knuckles themselves change/screw up caster! They don't and never will.
You can put the DA calipers and rotors on EX knuckles without any issues.
I have the DA knuckles myself and have to say that I have not felt nor seen ANY adverse effects, even after a full season of autox with them. I even switched back to DX knuckles for a while and noted absolutely NO gain, only a loss in braking power.
One of these days I will get my hands on an integra knuckle and a civic knuckle when I can really sit down and measure them both.
Once again I don't know about the EG/DC knuckles. I have seen some threads about people having major camber problems with them but have no personal experience so I cant say.
Front UCA's:
Don't use DA integra UCA's. This is where a lot of people go wrong when using the DA knuckles. They use these UCA's and it gives them positive camber and less caster. Then they blame it on the knuckles. Waaaaaa...
The EG/DC UCA's don't fit at all. The distance between the anchor bolts is completely different between the EF/DA's and the EG/DC's.
Front suspension
Knuckles:
These, like the trailing arms, are really only changed because of the brakes. If you have a model that isn't an EX you have 9.5" brakes (the Si's may be a little bigger). If you have an EX you have 10.3" brakes. If you don't have an EX then you have really only 2 (good) choices: EX knuckles and DA teg knuckles.
The EX knuckles are regarded as the best knuckle upgrade for any EF civic. This is because they don't have any geometry differences and because they were "made" for a civic. The only problem with them is that they are a tad hard to find and become expensive if you want to get them from a junkyard with the brakes attached.
The DA knuckles (also with 10.3" brakes) on the other hand are plentiful, cheap and work great as well. They are, however, a bit heavier weighing in at 6lbs 7oz more per side than a full DX knuckle. Also, because they weren't made for any civic the geometry differences have been blown way out of proportion by message board folks and because of this, a lot of people are scared of the swap. The knuckles are ¼" taller than the civic knuckles but really, it is nothing. It raises the roll center ever so slightly and makes the camber curve a tiny bit more aggressive. So what? Who said the geometry was perfect to begin with? And caster is NOT affected by knuckles. It is determined by the ball joint locations on the control arms. So stop saying the knuckles themselves change/screw up caster! They don't and never will.
You can put the DA calipers and rotors on EX knuckles without any issues.
I have the DA knuckles myself and have to say that I have not felt nor seen ANY adverse effects, even after a full season of autox with them. I even switched back to DX knuckles for a while and noted absolutely NO gain, only a loss in braking power.
One of these days I will get my hands on an integra knuckle and a civic knuckle when I can really sit down and measure them both.
Once again I don't know about the EG/DC knuckles. I have seen some threads about people having major camber problems with them but have no personal experience so I cant say.
Front UCA's:
Don't use DA integra UCA's. This is where a lot of people go wrong when using the DA knuckles. They use these UCA's and it gives them positive camber and less caster. Then they blame it on the knuckles. Waaaaaa...
The EG/DC UCA's don't fit at all. The distance between the anchor bolts is completely different between the EF/DA's and the EG/DC's.
I've read that but what I'm mostly interested in is what the camber and other alignment issues are like with say a camber kit.
Most everybody I know with the knuckles say the camber is 'perfect' with a drop and no camber kit....but perfect to an auto-xer and perfect to someone who strictly drives on the highway are completely different.
Most everybody I know with the knuckles say the camber is 'perfect' with a drop and no camber kit....but perfect to an auto-xer and perfect to someone who strictly drives on the highway are completely different.
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I've seen integra knuckles/brake setups on an ef hatch before that was lowered about 2 inches. Camber looked to be just about perfect, and the owner of the car acknowledged this for me. That's all i can contribute
Anybody else?
It's going to cost me roughly $300 to get a front pair of knuckles like-new and powdercoated.
I want to be sure the info I read is accurate!
Anybody have bumpsteer problems with the Integra knuckles, and maybe even some with a camber kit?
It's going to cost me roughly $300 to get a front pair of knuckles like-new and powdercoated.
I want to be sure the info I read is accurate!
Anybody have bumpsteer problems with the Integra knuckles, and maybe even some with a camber kit?
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