Like the title says, I want just get a general idea from people on this board, but only from All-Motor/NA Kids, no FI people please.

I want to know what you think about them? Why they suck? Why they are good? and most of all Why you CHOSE to go NA instead of the "easy way out"?


I was just curious on opinions, but mod's if this is in the wrong place, please feel free to move it.

 

Well in my opinion ....


You will almost always have a higher peak HP. But what seems weird to me is, i see all this 350ish +/-, sometimes even alot more, hp turbo hondas, and it seems like they are always running low 13's and 12's .. then i see 220hp NA hondas running 12's.

This is just what i have seen, so if you don't agree that's fine.

 

Well that is mainly do to a couple of things.

1. NA power is consistant... right from launch all your power is right there. Where as turbo usually has to gain boost after launch.

2. Once boost is applied traction is quite limited, and it's worse if they lose traction after launch then at launch IMO.

 

break lots more parts with boost!

 

Interesting question i have been thinking about it alot my self and i don't get it either. I have seen people on this board running 11.7-11.9 with 225 whp-235 whp NA.

 

Whats a turbo?

 

I have been turbo and N/A. Turbo has the potential to make alot more power, but my car was always broken when it was boosted. Whenever someone would see the intercooler they would either get scared or talk mad ****. I would rather be the guy in the corner with the stock looking car.

Another thing is respect. You outrun a V8 with a turbo car the first thing you hear is "you won because of that turbo" Bust that *** N/A and all you hear is "That thing is a 4 cylinder?"

N/A is best

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tbone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Whats a turbo? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Haha many for Tbone. Man i still can't believe the times your crx put down. I really hope to get there some day.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Odiedogcx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well in my opinion ....


You will almost always have a higher peak HP. But what seems weird to me is, i see all this 350ish +/-, sometimes even alot more, hp turbo hondas, and it seems like they are always running low 13's and 12's .. then i see 220hp NA hondas running 12's.

This is just what i have seen, so if you don't agree that's fine.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i think this sums it up best so far.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HybridHatch88 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Another thing is respect. You outrun a V8 with a turbo car the first thing you hear is "you won because of that turbo" Bust that *** N/A and all you hear is "That thing is a 4 cylinder?"

N/A is best</TD></TR></TABLE>

and this is good too. where i come from there are very few fast imports so i get to run old school domestics all day long. its fun being out there and running similar if not better times than alot of the guys at my track. of course most of the guys have been pretty cool with me running faster. ive been there for 3 seasons with my current car and i get alot of respect and questions from uninformed individuals. i think they have finally accepted that an import is kickin their ***. every yr i set up a new goal to catch up or go faster than one of my rivals and every yr i have done what i intended to do.

 

i don't think alot of people realise that there is so much more to the overall package than outright power. reduce weight, get the chassis setup right, have good gearing, grip etc... just slapping on a turbo and putting out 300hp at the wheels isn't quite enough.


at the end of the day- you can make the right numbers with them (turbo motors), but i've never viewed it as being as elegant an approach as a good na build up. i guess thats just the purist in me.

turbos are great for dyno comps though

 

i like all motor because where i live every damn car is a stock gsr motor with a turbo kit....so i like to be diff and i like the challenge of building a nice all motor set up...and its the best feelin when u beat a turbo car ..and its so easy to tune a turbo car compared to an all motor car

NA is best

 

oil leaks

 

I'm sticking to NA for the challenge, the learning experience, the overall balance of power and reliability, plus the respect a well built NA car commands both on the street and the strip.

High HP numbers mean nothing to me anymore, they aren't the best indicators of performance of a car once its on the tarmac

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slimbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
at the end of the day- you can make the right numbers with them (turbo motors), but i've never viewed it as being as elegant an approach as a good na build up. i guess thats just the purist in me.

turbos are great for dyno comps though </TD></TR></TABLE>

I just cant get over how we can build a 4 cylinder to be so effective, with no means of forced induction. I thinks it is great!!

NA is Best!

 

oh, and its also in the long run cheaper in my opinion....once you finish a n/a build, youre done. with a turbo build, there's always a bigger turbo and acessories.

 

personally, i'd rather own a 12 second NA car than a 11 second turbo car..

 

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You and me both.

 

wow, these are some really uplifting and great responses.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HybridHatch88 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have been turbo and N/A. Turbo has the potential to make alot more power, but my car was always broken when it was boosted. Whenever someone would see the intercooler they would either get scared or talk mad ****. I would rather be the guy in the corner with the stock looking car.

Another thing is respect. You outrun a V8 with a turbo car the first thing you hear is "you won because of that turbo" Bust that *** N/A and all you hear is "That thing is a 4 cylinder?"

N/A is best</TD></TR></TABLE>


Most definately agree with that statement. I love to beat those V8 domestics, and they are crying because they got beat by a honda that was all-motor and no boost like about %80 of the honda population is.

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so true. I love the high RPM's and just the feel of even a 13 sec. NA, then the feel of a 11 turbo.

The only thing I wish we had, as NA kids, is ........PSSSSHHHHHHH ......hahahaha a BOV, I love that sound...hahahaha, but 10k RPM is so much nicer.

 

I went All Motor because a 200whp set-up can get you into the 12's, which is plenty fast for a street car.

I never understood why someone would want 400whp Turbo front wheel drive car. Losing traction in 4th gear on the highway sounds stupid to me. Not being able to hook-up on the launch and spinning all the way down the strip sounds dumb as well.

A well balanced car is much more enjoyable to drive, IMO.

N/A all the way.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rtzcom &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm sticking to NA for the challenge, the learning experience, the overall balance of power and reliability, plus the respect a well built NA car commands both on the street and the strip.

High HP numbers mean nothing to me anymore, they aren't the best indicators of performance of a car once its on the tarmac</TD></TR></TABLE>

Took the words right out of my mouth. I have been turbo for years. Its really fun but the all motor gig is rewarding.

 

both ways are difficult and both can be unreliable after a certain point. Cost wise, prolly spend more in the NA setup than a turbo setup. Fun driving factor, both about the same, prolly lil more (controllable) fun with NA ... motor fatigue factor NA wins ...

I've done both ... hardcore too not simple bolt-ons.

greg

 

I choose n/a to keep my car under the radar. Stock looking ls + 200whp gsr motor= funny looking faces from the people i've raced. I always love when people comment about how loud my car gets when it crosses over into vtec, I'm not talking about exhaust noise either, just all motor(using an rsr catback). Granted imo it's really not that fast, but it still gets respect, and is a blast to drive, and best of all it could still be a daily driver(even though it's not).

 

There's no replacement for displacement....just remember that yaw'll.
HAHA for real though....you all are BS'ing. Its the high rev!!....at least for me anyway. I dont know id rather go for higher compression that just get a boost controller.....Ive been both by the way and I sold my TO3/04 years ago. Unreliable. Plus if honda doesnt have a stock turbo car from the factory...you probably shouldnt do it....(I know about honda's turbo hatch in the early 80's, but notice they nixed that idea)

 

oh and NA is the best!!!

 

keep responding, i am stuck in the rut of whether to go n/a or to turbo my b16, i want to stick with the b16 but i dont know if it would be worth it to go n/a cuz my goal is 13's and i dont have a whole lot of money to spend, but anyways, keep posting so i can decide.