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Old Dec 18, 2001 | 07:53 AM
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anyone know if the upper control arm swap to gain caster will work on '89-'91 civics? also, is it legal in a stock scca autocross class? (not like they'd have to know)
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Old Dec 18, 2001 | 08:21 AM
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Default Re: upper c/a swap? (SOLOef)

Can't comment on it other than legality for stock autocrossing.

Legal: NO

Like you said, no one is likely to figure it out unless you are really good. Of course it is still cheating.

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Old Dec 18, 2001 | 08:44 AM
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(not like they'd have to know)
You might be surprised what a National level compeditor will "know" about the legality of your car. Would you *really* want to cheat?
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Old Dec 18, 2001 | 08:54 AM
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no, i don't want to cheat. i was just taying that no one is likely to scrutinize an hs car at a local event.
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Old Dec 18, 2001 | 08:55 AM
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You are correct, usually even obviously illegal cars are allowed to class themselves incorrectly at local events until one of their compeditors says something. Local clubs are pretty friendly, usually.
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Old Dec 18, 2001 | 11:16 AM
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If the upper control arms are similar in design to the 92-95 upper arms, than yes, they will provide additional caster. With the arms off, you may notice a slight length difference in each side of the "wishbone".

One other thing I noticed......now that every suspension part is off my car, I noticed two small "dents" or impressions in the undercoating where the rear part of the control arm bolts to the upper wheelwell. I don't think these "impressions" were there before I switched mine over. I'd be curious if Karl sees the same thing on his Integra. I'd post pictures, but photopoint has been down for over a week.

Oh Karl......
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Old Dec 18, 2001 | 11:31 AM
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So it seems part of the swapped control arm by the connection to the unibody makes contact with the undercoating/fender liner? The sheet metal isn't touched?
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Old Dec 20, 2001 | 12:52 PM
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The 88-91 have a different design. The upper ball joint is already towards the rear of the control arm.
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Old Dec 20, 2001 | 02:06 PM
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If it's anything like the 94-01 Integra, then yes. For someone who knows what to look for, it's actually pretty easy to tell when it's been done.
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