was wondering is the GSR or the b16a2 head better with a B16A2 block

 

B16 flows better, but the GSR will yeild more compression if both are stock.

 

and if i use b16b pistons would that be 11:00 or 10:8 compression?

 

If the head gasket is stock, 10.8:1

 

would still be 170 hp? don't have too much money to upgrade any internals on this set up. will most likely try making more horse power with aftermarket bolt ons. If anything I would like to get the b16b pistons.

 

Not that high. You are still missing a lot of parts that are Type R specific, I.M., block, rods, crank, so you wouldnt hit that kind of power with just pistons. Why dont you just do a I/H/E package with a manifold and a mild set of cams. For the price of rebuilding your block and jut putting pistons in a stock motor, it would not yeild the power you could have with less time consuming and expensive mods. What kind of stuff do you already hae done?

 

stay with the b16 head

 

ok this is the complete deal of what is going on. I currently have a 1994 Honda Civic EX 2 door coupe. I have a D16Z6 with 154k miles on it. That motor had before a blown head gasket and I was getting water and oil mixing in both the engine and the radiator. After replacing the head gasket and flushing both the engine and radiator the car no longer overheated. But there seems like I have lost compression in one of the cylinders. Decided to scrap the engine because the previous owner did not take care of the car well at all. Now I got a friend with a B16A2 block with stock crank, rods, pistons, oil pan that is gonna sell to me for $125. Buying a GSR head (33k miles) with stock valves springs, retainers, cams, IM for $540. Guessing since money is tight I would keep the engine internals stock unless there is better setup that wouldn't run me too much money.

 

If ur money is tight, buy an i,h,e package joel already made that point, buy a decent header,nice exhaust, intake , get a testpipe made and get bolt on, ud be suprised what bolt ons can do if ur just getten into the b series. good luck

 

well kinda noob to the whole scene. guessing I/H/E is intake/(no idea)/exhaust ??? and not to worry about the build, I have a cousin who rebuilds engines for a living who owns his own shop that is gonna help me to piece the engine together. No way I would do it alone so I don't mess it up.

 

intake/header/exhaust

 

couple of questions to help me get the right parts. got a B16 block (all stock), and putting a 98 gsr head (stock gsr cams, valve train is also gsr stock), and 94 gsr IM. need to know what timing belt, cam gears (adjustable or stock), dizzy, and what is the static timing for this set up. would I be able to use my short ram intake pipe and filter that I am currently using for my D16Z6? most of all for parts, should I be looking at buying b16 parts or gsr parts?

Edit: oh and what tranny would be best. looking to install an act clutch set, maybe stage 2.

 

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are u sure bout it flowing better

also compression with the b16b(pct im guessing) is more like 11.7 os with a b16 head. so think thats a bit much for u unless u want that high, i would go with os p30 , if u buying pistons. if not the pr3's arent that bad they used them in the omniman 200whp porject

 

yah mayn, if you werent even up on IHE you need to just slap the head onto the 1.6block and call it a day...the power difference between the sohc and dohc will be enough that youll probably be satisfied.

 

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unfortunately you are wrong

The head itself does not flow better however the IM is of a supperior design on the b16

 

No, I'm not, i have flow benched both stock heads, and the B16 outflows the GSR. The GSR will yield more compression due to the combusiton chamber size, but the design of the runners is slightly differant. I'm not going to tell you you are wrong, I already know it, because of experience and hands on testing. Have you ever wondered why the B16 and Type R heads are both PR3, and the GSR, or P72 head is not used on a higher HP application, from the factory, even though it yields more compression? Honda knows the PR3 flowed like none other at the time, and built the B18c5, B18c, B16b all with the same head. I bet the next thing you'll tell me is that Type intake manifolds fit on GSR heads. BTW, I had to do a B16 block/GSR head package for a customer that rode his GSR block with a spun bearing for over 500 miles. The car runs fine. So you will be alright with that. This is from experience, not reading forums and arguing with assinine comments.

 

um your comparing a stock b16 head to a CNC ported ITR head



BTW a b18c IS a GSR motor



and for most of your other useless comments

 

An ITR head is mildly ported and polished at Honda by a tech. By hand, not CNC but they still use the same core. And a B18c is a JDM ITR

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/s...30010

But I'm sure you already knew that. It is a code for a GSR also, in the US, but thats just a useless comment.

BTW, call any head porting shop, or machine shop that knows these heads, I can refer you to some if you would like. THe first thing thy will probobly say is that its minimal but the B16, stcok, outflows the GSR. The runners are slightly differant. Another thing they will say is that its also up to the tuner and builder, and what kind, not how much power they want to make.

 

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http://www.hmotorsonline.com/s...30010

But I'm sure you already knew that. It is a code for a GSR also, in the US, but thats just a useless comment.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No since late 96 early 97 all ITR heads have been done by CNC machines.

You have been reading too much SS

 

couple of questions to help me get the right parts. got a B16 block (all stock), and putting a 98 gsr head (stock gsr cams, valve train is also gsr stock), and 94 gsr IM. need to know what timing belt, cam gears (adjustable or stock), dizzy, and what is the static timing for this set up. would I be able to use my short ram intake pipe and filter that I am currently using for my D16Z6? most of all for parts, should I be looking at buying b16 parts or gsr parts?
Edit: oh and what tranny would be best. looking to install an act clutch set, maybe stage 2.

 

get your self a copy of the new Honda Tuning they have a b16 buildup in there that's done well

The best trans is the 98+ spec ITR but it's gonna be cheese but not as much as making the same upgrades between it and a b16 box

On a clutch I always recommend a stock 80 dollar lifetime replacment clutch from Kragen and a ACT pressure plate that way your not nuking your gear box but it will still hold a good amount of power

 

cool thanks.

static timing and belts would be stock to the B16a or to a gsr??? getting parts in on friday so will be taking em down to the shop for cleaning and such this weekend.

Edit: these are the head parts that I bought: [URL] https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1004482[/URL]

 

well i seen charts saying different, not saying ur wrong but the charts i seen the heads flow almost the same but the gsr coming out on topbut like 1cfm or sumthing. and the b16 and type r head are really close look at umm i think its bert-o posts the factory job on a type r is no pnp just a lil better clean up. also all the heads on the bseries all motor shot out where gsr's.

 

not even gonna comment on the debate with heads...but for the swap you still use a B16 timing belt, any bseries cam gears, youll need a GSR intake arm since your using the stock IM, OBD1 dizzy, and really your still running a b16 so the only party to worry about as "specific" would be the timing belt.

 

sweet thanks for the info. and ummm hope you all keep up the debate on the heads. its good info when these debates are started.

anyhow I just got my parts delivered and I'm took the head to the shop to get it cleaned and shaved abit. will post pics as soon as the rain stops here. gonna take the block this weekend for some cleaning and hopefully won't get charged an arm and a leg to get it assembled.