200 whp


im in the process of building an all maotor set up with mostly all oem parts please read and tell me what u think

b18c5 block
c5 rods
c5 crank

ctr pistons

b16a head
endyne p&p head
ctr intake cam
usdm itr exhaust cam
itr valvesprings

hondata i/m gskt.

cbr 600 f4i itbs

tunning with hondata

 

i think you will meet 200 or get close

 

looks good

what header/exhaust?

 

with ITBs i think its possible, but youll never hit it without a good header IMO. PLus i think those cams are too mild for your setup, go with some M22s from Rocket Motorsports or some S2S1s. With ITBs id an that kinda of compresion out of CTRs an a head that can flow (endyne P&P) id like to be able to rev it high. With ITR cams an ITR valvetrain i believe your limited to like 8200-8400 rpms. With CTR pistons an ITBs id be revving to 9000+ an id want some hotter cams. IMO of course.

 

good porting of the head including mill, good header and good tuning and its most ilkely possible. ive seen a dyno of 200whp with jdm itr stock block the head was ported thou i believe he was also using jdm 4-1 header it was surprising i bleieve the dyno is pretty old also the car is a 4dr maybe someone can post the dyno up.

 

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You're thinking of the one Honda Tuning built. They used ALL ITR parts(no itb's) and an Alaniz ported head. IIRC it made 205whp.

 

definitely possible, i used ITR pistons and a stock ITR head except for 20 thou mill


Mods:
-Gsr shortblock with oversized ITR pistons
-ITR head milled 20 tho
-Toda Header
-AEB intake manifold
-ITR TB
-Apex-i N1 catback with testpipe
-Jun cam gears
-Home Depot Special CAI
-Hondata S100

 

I made 201 WHP/147tq on:

All OEM parts :-)

Check http://phearable.net for the dyno sheet & specs.

 

i think the itbs are goiong to hold you back. they aren't easy to deal with.

 

regular manifold can make 200hp. I dont know what King is thinking. The setup you mentioned can make an easy high 190s easily and with proper assembly of the block and tuning,, it can make 200hp.

 

id say yes but your in their by the scruf of your neck

 

I did 200 on a b16 with OEM parts in the block, CTR pisonts etc. The head had extensive work, but i researched the same thing youre doing, and agree with these guys. It can be done, just do your research on who does it well.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SEFIxCivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think the itbs are goiong to hold you back. they aren't easy to deal with.</TD></TR></TABLE>i agree, i think you are going to have an easier time tuning it with a manifold.

 

I think of few of you guys are not reading the entire post. He said he was only going to use "stock" honda parts. Like JDM itr 4-1 header, is really the only wise choice. Unless he plans on breaking the rules a little.

 

with a above average header you can do it. it will come down to tuning.

 

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yeap hours of tunnin

 

i think you can make it....but i dunno bout those ITB's....pain in the *** tp tune

but the compression ration from the ctr pistons will be awesome, but i dont think id go with a ctr intake cam

 

king is probably saying no way because their project mugen k20 barely made 200

 

ugh whats stock k20 hp?

 

ususally around 180 to the wheels

 

Just curious how KingMotorsports is involved in this build? Sorry. it's just not clear from your post. Maybe King was just being conservative in their assessment? Granted that is unusual for most shops and so-called 'net experts out there that claim the unattainable. Anyway, you *might* hit 200whp depending on dyno, day and whatever esle.

Do a lot of research, talk to as many reputable builders as you can and just build what you want, and see what happens. If you hit your goal great, if you come up short, it will still be a fun project and a great learning experience.

Just enjoy it.

Regards.

 

damn this went fast thanx for the replies by the way im going with a hytech header

king motorsports isnt involved i was just telling them my plan and they said no way telling me i needed skunk 2 stage 3 cams

blah blah blah

 

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why no on ctr cam

 

also i heard from a friend that i should use itr intake valve springs on the exhaust side and run the portflows on the intake side is there an advantage to this

sumthin to deal with stencil strenght

 

Well damn with a hytech header its going to be a cake job.