i have a set of jic flt-a2 coils, theyve been on the ek for about... 6 months now, and ive noticed that the springs, or the whole steup has gotten noticably LESS stiff. i was wondering if anyone had any insight or experiance with the same problem. i want to upgrage to, prob 14k front and 12k rear, but before throw money away id like to here some opinion on the springs.. they also make diff lengths... THANKS


-MATT

 

Hmm... shocks might be getting worn out, surprised the lifespan is that short though. A number of people are using them on JICs, they've complained that the ride tends to induce motion sickness on long trips, but I haven't heard any specific wear/reliability concerns. Might want to send them to CRX Lee for some dyno testing, see if they're weaker than they should be and see if they've got enough rebound damping to control the stiffer springs.

 

im using them on my EG but havent noticed any loss in stiffness. although i have heard alot of bad stuff about them and JIC in particular. all i know is that when i decide to upgrade or change my suspension im going with the ground control setup.
misha

 

i dont really have any real complaints about the coils other than this. they seem to be great quality (for ek, ive heard things about the rsx though) and from what ive experianced so far i buy them again but i guess id get higher rates from factory. ive already had to buy a new rear adjuster because i had a trans. fly acorss the back of my car and break the aduster off but thats my falt

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mixed motorsports ek &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dont really have any real complaints about the coils other than this. they seem to be great quality (for ek, ive heard things about the rsx though) and from what ive experianced so far i buy them again but i guess id get higher rates from factory. ive already had to buy a new rear adjuster because i had a trans. fly acorss the back of my car and break the aduster off but thats my falt </TD></TR></TABLE>

if you search around in the ITR forum, you will see that JIC severly fucked over a bunch of guys who bought there "custom" set up.

CRXlee did dyno's of the shocks and the basic consenses is that they are . for the money you spend.

IMO no matter who it was in the JIC family that fucked over all those guys, there a bad compnay to try and pull something like that. Even if it was a person that works there, they are still a shitty company in general that needs to higher more trust worthy people.

 

http://forums.nasioc.com/forum...t=jic

Hope this helps.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slammed_93_hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

if you search around in the ITR forum, you will see that JIC severly fucked over a bunch of guys who bought there "custom" set up.

CRXlee did dyno's of the shocks and the basic consenses is that they are . for the money you spend.

IMO no matter who it was in the JIC family that fucked over all those guys, there a bad compnay to try and pull something like that. Even if it was a person that works there, they are still a shitty company in general that needs to higher more trust worthy people.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i know that they had some issues with not providing the specs that they needed from JIC USA and the person that they dealt with didnt get things right to begin with.
JIC's can handle wonderful if set up properly (re-valve and custom spring rate) several cars that track have been using them with no problems but they have been set up by a some one that has seen great results and customizes the suspension to the what ever the car will be use for might be (if its autocross, road race, drag race etc...). I have heard so many bad things about JIC's and to be honest the JICs off the shelve (bough through some one that just sells parts ) and either don't care about the specs or doesn't know what he is doing can be terrible (compare to other companies off the shelve items)

 

A standard Eibach 2.5" ERS will fit on them if you want to swap rates. Borrow a set and try that first. The Jap springs are usually fairly poor.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GokuSSJ4 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i know that they had some issues with not providing the specs that they needed from JIC USA and the person that they dealt with didnt get things right to begin with. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Not true. The person we dealt with (Kyle at wiredspeed) did everything in his power to help us. He is not to blame for this.

JIC sent us OTS JIC FLT-A2 shocks (valved for 10k/7k springs) and 600in-lb springs for all four corners when we asked for 12k/14k springs and the appropriate valving.

Shock dynos of lanceh's shocks done by lee show VERY little adjustment (almost none) between full stiff and full soft. Also the front shocks were valved stiffer than the rear..... (see above for what we requested) Also, a analysis of the dynos provided by clayton at king motorsports showed these were not what we asked for, and pretty low quality at that.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
JIC's can handle wonderful if set up properly (re-valve and custom spring rate) several cars that track have been using them with no problems but they have been set up by a some one that has seen great results and customizes the suspension to the what ever the car will be use for might be (if its autocross, road race, drag race etc...). </TD></TR></TABLE>

They were unable to revalve and give us the proper springs. They were also unable to provide a dyno chart. They also said they 'do not have a shock dyno' in the US!!!! How the F#@% can the custom valve a shock with no shock dyno?

JIC was totally incompetent in answering our questions, unwilling to make up for their errors, provide our money back, or explain how they can offer a service like this with no shock dyno available. In fact they claimed the 'error' was unknown to them entirely. The shocks were labeled 'FLTA2', not FLTA2-RS..... They sent us stock valved shocks and 2 springs stamped '12k' (and two unstamped springs) when they were actually all the same exact spring, none of which were 12 or 14k. Trickery at its best. They even went through the trouble of marking the boxes with the EXACT setup we requested, when they full well knew what was in the boxes was not what we requested.

Please don't dumb down the story to make it 'our faullt' or Kyle's fault. JIC proved their incompetence multiple times, and their unwillingness to right their wrong.

Do you want to take a chance with JIC? They seem to provide fine service for people like warren **** and a few others on this board, but then they turn around and **** over kyle at wiredspeed, myself, lanceh, budman, mltdwn, asspenny, batouttahell, sackdz and effect. I see some RR names in there - so I guess they aren't just partial to road racers, they didn't give a **** that they provided us something entirely different than we asked for and took NO responsibility besides promising to send everything to japan so they can fix JIC USA's errors - minimum 3 months. No money back. No replacement product while we waited 3-4 months, no nothing. Great service.

 

Matt, talk to CRX Lee, he knows his ****.

By the way, if only for ***** and giggles, you should all check out the vid associated with the NASIOC thread above. The WRX (or STi, I don't know which) sounds mean as hell, and what happens to it looks really damn scary. Glad it just broke on the autox course rather than on the road or track.


Modified by sscguy at 10:56 PM 10/11/2004

 

Quite a frightening video.
Would like some more input aswell.

-sander

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Not true. The person we dealt with (Kyle at wiredspeed) did everything in his power to help us. He is not to blame for this.

JIC sent us OTS JIC FLT-A2 shocks (valved for 10k/7k springs) and 600in-lb springs for all four corners when we asked for 12k/14k springs and the appropriate valving.

Shock dynos of lanceh's shocks done by lee show VERY little adjustment (almost none) between full stiff and full soft. Also the front shocks were valved stiffer than the rear..... (see above for what we requested) Also, a analysis of the dynos provided by clayton at king motorsports showed these were not what we asked for, and pretty low quality at that.

They were unable to revalve and give us the proper springs. They were also unable to provide a dyno chart. They also said they 'do not have a shock dyno' in the US!!!! How the F#@% can the custom valve a shock with no shock dyno?

JIC was totally incompetent in answering our questions, unwilling to make up for their errors, provide our money back, or explain how they can offer a service like this with no shock dyno available. In fact they claimed the 'error' was unknown to them entirely. The shocks were labeled 'FLTA2', not FLTA2-RS..... They sent us stock valved shocks and 2 springs stamped '12k' (and two unstamped springs) when they were actually all the same exact spring, none of which were 12 or 14k. Trickery at its best. They even went through the trouble of marking the boxes with the EXACT setup we requested, when they full well knew what was in the boxes was not what we requested.

Please don't dumb down the story to make it 'our faullt' or Kyle's fault. JIC proved their incompetence multiple times, and their unwillingness to right their wrong.

Do you want to take a chance with JIC? They seem to provide fine service for people like warren **** and a few others on this board, but then they turn around and **** over kyle at wiredspeed, myself, lanceh, budman, mltdwn, asspenny, batouttahell, sackdz and effect. I see some RR names in there - so I guess they aren't just partial to road racers, they didn't give a **** that they provided us something entirely different than we asked for and took NO responsibility besides promising to send everything to japan so they can fix JIC USA's errors - minimum 3 months. No money back. No replacement product while we waited 3-4 months, no nothing. Great service. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i had the idea that JIC USA had mess up the order for the set up that you guys wanted to obtain. Thanks for clearing things up, i can only speak from experience and people that have obtain excellent results when tracking the car ( but they were set up by a shop that deals with JIC direct and has been doing it for over 3yrs with excellent results) i dont want to name the shop because i dont want you to feel that im advretising for them. Im only speaking of experiences and how the car has improve from using JIC's at the track. Since several friends have been set up with JIC's custom tune and not off the shelve items. (which im aware yours were not off the shelve items)Im sure after having such a bad experience i would recommend others ways to obtaining results. JIC's are not the only ones other you have several companies that will provide you a better experience and give you guys what you want.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SHAGGY &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">http://forums.nasioc.com/forum...t=jic

Hope this helps.</TD></TR></TABLE>


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