http://www.a-t-s-usa.com/photos/civic-new.shtml

Does anyone have any more pics or info on this car? Very interesting looking. Looks to use a Nissan front caliper setup (never heard of SS Works), crazzy ITB/airbox combo, and wide bodied (never heard of Precision Motorsports).

TIA

 

From the bottom of the very page you linked us to:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you are interested in purchasing the custom made front and rea wide fender used for our Civic race car, please send an e-mail or call us. Front (Left, Right) - $175.00 each plus shipping. Rear (Left, Right) - $200.00 each plus shipping. Please note that those parts are desinged for race track only and it might requre some professional skills to install (especially rear panel).</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

I read that, just never heard of that company (Precision Motorsports) and was asking if anyone on HT has info, knowledge or pics of this car.

Like I said there is a lot of interesting things on this car. I have been in the scene since 1996 participating in auto-x, drag racing, and track events. I have been to the SEMA show the last 4 years and have never heard of, saw in person, or read about in mags or online of many of the parts that are on this car.

 

That's Yasu's car of ATS/USA. I rode in it a few years back when it looked a little different. It also made an appearance at the Integra Type R expo #3 last year at Beaver run.

Talk to Rodney about the car or any of the parts you're interested in. He actually also uses the flared front fenders which are custom fiberglass on his SM Civic for nationals:

http://www.b18c5.com/fenders.htm

 

The car has been around for quite sometime though for the listed mods 212 WHp seems a bit weakling

SS works is a company in Japan that specializes in time attack vehicles, which are basically fully stripped down seam welded all out cars designed for making the single best lap time in there class. Try to imagine a 240 whp 1500 lb CRX built by Formula 1 fanatics here is a babblefish translation of there site

http://babelfish.altavista.com...ja_en

I think most of the stuff is self explanitory however items like the SEV system which is supposed to polorize the air flow are far fetched though possible I guess. However this system is beyond the relm of affordability for a street car IMO

 

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the car has not yet been dynoed since he popped the old motor. he should be making quite a bit more. you must remember this is a roadrace car, so peak hp is not much of a concern.

having driven the car, i can wholeheartedly say the car is a rocket! if you want any other pictures regarding the car, let me know, and i can snap a few.

yes, those are the same fenders as mine. if anyone wants a set, they should contact yasu, as he is in a better position to ship then myself. the 1/4 panel requires some serious cutting, not for the faint of heart.

 

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A few more pics of the body work and engine bay would be greatly appriciated.

BTW ... The SS Works brakes, are they using a 300zx or skyline caliper w/ that setup

 

here is a pic of ssworks crx...all that custom work and they put in a bolt in cage

http://www.we-todd-did-racing....D.jpg

 

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skyline

 

It was 218whp and 218whp out of basically a B18C with CTR pistons and Toda B's is pretty damn good. ITB's also don't have much of an overall effect on peak hp either.

That's quite a set-up overall on that car.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 89civicdx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">here is a pic of ssworks crx...all that custom work and they put in a bolt in cage

http://www.we-todd-did-racing....D.jpg</TD></TR></TABLE>

those pics are way old that car was torn down and stitch welded a full 12 point cage and even pillar foamed to ****

Also to the guy that say's ITB's don't make much peak power is wrong. Your essentially trippling the intake volume it's just that tuner's have no freakin clue what they are doing with them in the first place that number on a race motor does'nt even come close to what JUN has itr street motors producing with less parts since at least 98

For reference full touring car motors like those used in the pre 2001 BTCC were making 40 peak hp over the stock Euro R intake manifold

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FF lotus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also to the guy that say's ITB's don't make much peak power is wrong. Your essentially trippling the intake volume it's just that tuner's have no freakin clue what they are doing with them in the first place that number on a race motor does'nt even come close to what JUN has itr street motors producing with less parts since at least 98</TD></TR></TABLE>

I guess every tuner in the USA that has tuned ITB's then only tunes them for maximum mid-range power. Every plot that I've seen for ITB's on cars here were tuned and have a HUGE midrange gain, yet very little peak gain.

As far as making more peak power is concerned, I think that a single HUGE throttle body and a HUGE plenum intake manifold with large straight runners will produce more peak numbers then ITB's.

Just for comparison....I know this is a little crude, but still shows what I mean in similar spec engines. The one with ITB's peaks at the same number. Yet produces a good 10-15whp throughout the midrange. Maybe you're right. Maybe the tuners in the US do "suck". I find it a little hard to believe, but.....

ITB's Homemade



Similar set-up without ITB's.

 

this should be on the low side for a built 1.8 with ITB's my old b20 was slightly higher but with triple inlet volume came the need for triple fuel capacity and even with grips of tuning the excursion get's better gas mileage

 

nice civic
the red one.

 

I'd give my right arm for a set of those fenders for an EK body.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FF lotus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> this should be on the low side for a built 1.8 with ITB's my old b20 was slightly higher but with triple inlet volume came the need for triple fuel capacity and even with grips of tuning the excursion get's better gas mileage</TD></TR></TABLE>

242 is on the low side? and you also think 218 is low for an OEM piston motor? I'm not saying you are wrong because I'm not an expert, but both those numbers seem high to me. my buddy has a 12:1 82mm bore b18 w/portflow head, toda spec d's and TWM itbs and it only made like 215. 242 is insane. is that a drag race motor? who tuned it? where was it dynoed?

 

Post the A/F curve for that. Looks like a nice peaky drag race tune to me. Nice 40whp spike at VTEC engagement and no midrange whatsoever.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr Hammond &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Post the A/F curve for that. Looks like a nice peaky drag race tune to me. Nice 40whp spike at VTEC engagement and no midrange whatsoever. </TD></TR></TABLE>

um okay, exactly why on earth would you need pre 5K anyway with a redline of 9500 on a race motor. Road race or drag race they are both going to be peaky this is not a street car

Which is exactly why the real time cars all have pinned rocker arms so they run the big cam all the time

212 is only 40 more hp than a stock ITR puts down. which is exactly 36 hp less than the JUN sponsored and built ITR daily driver they had back in 99, not a race car and with again far less mods

 

I just wanted to see the a/f curve and see why such a large loss in tq at the end. Is it a larger stroke engine? Cam profiles etc... Just because you RR and are in the upper end of the rev range most of the time, doesn't mean you should not give two ***** about your tuning pre-5500rpm.

So JUN made big numbers in their own ITR. Well I would hope so if it's going to be a factory sponsored cars. What were the details on that engine? They probably at least had JUN III cams and probably even their 2.0L stroker kit. Was it ever dyno'd on American soil in front of anyone? Or did they post their own dyno plot? Tell me how many Honda RR's out there are making 240whp though??? If there's a hell of a lot more with similar set-ups making 230-240 then 200-220 then you can set your standards and say that's an unusually low whp car. People act like 240whp is cake to make. I wouldn't mind seeing someone take an ITR block, put CTR pistons in, TODA B's and ITB's and make 240whp. Not saying it's impossible, but far fetched. For every 240whp stockish set-up cars there are probably a 100 making less then 210whp.


edit: One thing I found interesting on JUN's website is they list a B18C-R spec Stage 4 crate engine with JUN III cams, their own 2.0L (1984cc) stroker kit 82x94, and 12:1 compression not to mention a valvejob, milling the head, port matching and polishing etc... They only claimed 250ps crank. So that's around what 246hp something like that. Take away a 15% drivetrain loss and guess where you stand. About 210-215whp. So if this is their top of the line crate engine, what was special about their race car? Just curious as I didn't know they had a DC2 chassis car. Seen the Prelude, DC5, EK4 etc...


Modified by Mr Hammond at 9:00 PM 10/10/2004

 

It was'nt in a race car. You may rember the article about in in SCC. Well shortly after the owner had the head redone by Dan Paramore and was then making 280

JUN and alot of other tuners keep there engine specs ultra conservative, for reasons like some customers will stick a OEM ITR header on it and others will pop for a hytech header and lots of other unknowns

The plot is for a street car and is obviuosly using stock profile and pretty big lift for the seconday cam. it's got a pretty level tq of about 160 between 5550 and 7500 but it never dips below 135 which is peak tq numbers for a stock prelude so

 

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Just to reiterate what you have claimed so far and make sure that i have it all straight: JUN had a stock bore ITR motor (in 1999) that made 248 wheel hp with "far less mods" than the ATS car that this thread is about? and then with porting it made 280 wheel hp?

280? I'm gonna ask you the same question as the guy who posted above - where was the car dynoed? Do you have the sheet or a copy? If not just let me know where it was dynoed at and I'll call to confirm this story.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr Hammond &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">One thing I found interesting on JUN's website is they list a B18C-R spec Stage 4 crate engine with JUN III cams, their own 2.0L (1984cc) stroker kit 82x94, and 12:1 compression not to mention a valvejob, milling the head, port matching and polishing etc... They only claimed 250ps crank. So that's around what 246hp something like that. Take away a 15% drivetrain loss and guess where you stand. About 210-215whp. So if this is their top of the line crate engine, what was special about their race car? Just curious as I didn't know they had a DC2 chassis car. Seen the Prelude, DC5, EK4 etc...</TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL research owns FF lotus

 

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LOL no reply = pwnd...
more stupid stunts by this idiot = https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=1

Anyway back on topic - anyone else running these flared fenders? Any pics of quarter panel mods necessary to run the rear flares?

 

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street car, race car whatever, id WORK on getting that tq to come up. TQ is what its all about. that **** gets down into mild b18cR build tq number

to who ever tuned that. you GOTA do something about that tq droping off

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 909edge &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Anyway back on topic - anyone else running these flared fenders?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i have been using the fenders for quite some time now.

[QUOTE=909edge Any pics of quarter panel mods necessary to run the rear flares?[/QUOTE]

basically, they are full race only. you remove your old 1/4 panels, and these replace them.

 

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basically, they are full race only. you remove your old 1/4 panels, and these replace them. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Rodney how hard was it to make a mold? Did you do it yourself? Any help would be appreciated! Thanks dood!