are mugen oil and rad caps "performance" upgrade?
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Re: are mugen oil and rad caps "performance" upgrade? (out_a_bounz)
the rad cap is, oil cap isn't. although i did see a real time r break the plastic one cause it hit the hood. so maybe the oil cap can be???
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Bahahahahaha.. I guess that would mean that a vinyl stripe is a performance upgrade as well because the air has less turbulance over vinyl than rusty paint?? A high pressure radiator cap is nothing more than a bandaid for a poorly functioning cooling system..
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Re: are mugen oil and rad caps "performance" upgrade? (zygspeed)
what about those people who are boosting more than 1bar?
I hope you're not feeding your valve cover boost!
I hope you're not feeding your valve cover boost!
The Rad cap is, the oil cap is for show.
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Re: are mugen oil and rad caps "performance" upgrade? (raprazant)
rap: will you stand by your rad claim if I prove that the spoon cap will cause lower water temps?
I agree completely regarding the oil cap, but thanks for your obviously professional opinion. I mean, hell, you sure sound like a professional!
I agree completely regarding the oil cap, but thanks for your obviously professional opinion. I mean, hell, you sure sound like a professional!
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Re: are mugen oil and rad caps "performance" upgrade? (Dave-ROR)
I get tired of people worrying about if a part is "performance" or if it is "show" or even worse yet "rice"...
Is the Spoon oil cap a performance part? - NO. Will it look better in my engine bay than the cheap black plastic one? - YES. Are appearances important to me? - YES, I try to find that zen-like balance between power and beauty in my R.
Stop telling me it is a waste of my money. Does a $8 plastic watch tell time? - YES, but I think I like wearing the Tag Heuer much more...
Is the Spoon oil cap a performance part? - NO. Will it look better in my engine bay than the cheap black plastic one? - YES. Are appearances important to me? - YES, I try to find that zen-like balance between power and beauty in my R.
Stop telling me it is a waste of my money. Does a $8 plastic watch tell time? - YES, but I think I like wearing the Tag Heuer much more...
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A high pressure radiator cap is nothing more than a bandaid for a poorly functioning cooling system..ceas
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Re: are mugen oil and rad caps "performance" upgrade? (raprazant)
Mugen, ARC, Spoon .... caps are rated at 1.3 bar vs. 1.1 for the stock cap, therefore increasing the temperature at which the "coolant" will theoretically boil!
Post a picture when you've done your "dirty deed".
Post a picture when you've done your "dirty deed".
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Re: are mugen oil and rad caps "performance" upgrade? (raprazant)
if you've got a radiator cap that categorically drops coolant temp over stock i'll crap a cinder block in the middle of my street.
i could possibly believe you if you present a logical argument just don't tell me that it's because the cap's made out of aluminum.
i could possibly believe you if you present a logical argument just don't tell me that it's because the cap's made out of aluminum.
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Re: are mugen oil and rad caps "performance" upgrade? (raprazant)
if appearance is your m.o. then you'd obviously be interested in both of these parts, which is fine. if you're solely concerned about performance then you're looking in the wrong place.
my other point was just to say that if you end up putting a lot of money into ehancing appearance you'd better compete at some point.
my other point was just to say that if you end up putting a lot of money into ehancing appearance you'd better compete at some point.
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Re: are mugen oil and rad caps "performance" upgrade? (raprazant)
"If you live in a hot environment and drive your car very aggressively for extended periods of time (like at a track day), then I would say the radiator cap is an easy, justifiable modification to make.
I don't necessarily fully put to use the full extent of my suspension, brakes and tires all the time either, but it's there when I need it! ... whatever.
But too much shiny styff hurts my eyes.
Oh, and a Tag-Heuer ... anyone can buy one of those, But now my Mugen-Honda watch ... that's different!
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Re: are mugen oil and rad caps "performance" upgrade? (zygspeed)
keep this up and the newbie will hit 20 posts tonight!!!! wooohooo 
ed, i have a feeling as to why that shinny chit hurts your eyes
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ed, i have a feeling as to why that shinny chit hurts your eyes
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Re: are mugen oil and rad caps "performance" upgrade? (raprazant)
well the whole point is that when your tracking your car you need everything you can get to, help it run cooler, stop better, handle better. the r is good from the factory so i don't want to go buy a fluidyne, but instead put in a thermostat, rad cap, and thermo switch to help cool things down.
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Re: are mugen oil and rad caps "performance" upgrade?
Who here has overheated their ITR?
summer?
race track?
idle traffic?
a/c?
I haven't even come close and I do all of the above.
Makes you wonder - are you getting a necessary perf upgrade or are you getting played by the marketers. Hmmmm.
summer?
race track?
idle traffic?
a/c?
I haven't even come close and I do all of the above.
Makes you wonder - are you getting a necessary perf upgrade or are you getting played by the marketers. Hmmmm.
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Re: are mugen oil and rad caps "performance" upgrade? (out_a_bounz)
i tweaked the fan switch so basically when the key is in the ignition the fan comes on, i also just installed the spoon thermostat, btw not using the stock civ radiator but one off a `95 GS-R, plenty and enough to keep it very cool
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Re: are mugen oil and rad caps "performance" upgrade? (raprazant)
no, but any one of the modifications you mentioned represents a significant improvement over stock. the few degrees that the aftermarket cap raises your coolant boiling point is negligible because 95% of the time your car would've been fine without it. that's opposed to 100% of the time that your shorter springs and better shocks or larger brakes are improving performance.
and to the dude who called me a troll, yeah i'm harsh but i thought that this was a technical forum. i'm really only here to exchange knowledge of c5 motor modification so i don't usually post the fluffy i love my r crap.
and to the dude who called me a troll, yeah i'm harsh but i thought that this was a technical forum. i'm really only here to exchange knowledge of c5 motor modification so i don't usually post the fluffy i love my r crap.
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Re: are mugen oil and rad caps "performance" upgrade? (raprazant)
"If you live in a hot environment and drive your car very aggressively for extended periods of time (like at a track day), then I would say the radiator cap is an easy, justifiable modification to make. Don't expect your car to accelerate any faster though. However, for every day driving in cool weather, don't bother replacing the radiator cap until the stock one is worn out from age. "
Performance does not JUST equal acceleration. There is braking performance, suspension performance, cooling system performance, etc, etc, etc. Hell an Oil cooler wont give you 50hp but it'll get the oil temps down for sure. Not all of us just drive our cars back and forth on the street.
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Re: are mugen oil and rad caps "performance" upgrade? (Dave-ROR)
dave, let just give up. some people just don't get it...
now would be a good time to show some pics of your car, see what they think about that upgrade.
now would be a good time to show some pics of your car, see what they think about that upgrade.
