How can I make new A/C lines?
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How can I make new A/C lines?
I need to find a way to make some new A/C lines to fit my CRX. Is that possible? Due to my turbo set-up and ginormous intercooler, I've had to reroute the A/C lines. The lines I have are aluminum. Can I braze new lines onto the existing ones and use all the old fittings and bend my own lines? I'm not too familiar with A/C systems, but I can try to mirror the factory setup with reshaped tubes. Thanks in advance.
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you can buy the hose, fittings and the crimp tool from ac componant suppliers like http://www.acsource.com/ or you could search locally and find someone to make the lines to your spec. its not really that expensive. i own an 88 merkur xr4ti and they are pretty rare so as you can imagine finding things like ac lines is impossible. i have some buddies who had some made locally for their merkurs for something like 30 bux a line. i hope this helps.
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Re: How can I make new A/C lines? (Jared)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jared »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">make sure you clean those things first, r12 makes nerve gas when it ignites</TD></TR></TABLE>nerve gas? didnt know that. so then whats the effect it would have?
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Re: How can I make new A/C lines? (Jared)
You don't have to worry about it unless your trying to weld them without emptying the system, other than that the only thing left is the oil from the system. Yeah, I would look for a shop to do it or buy the proper tools.
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Re: How can I make new A/C lines? (fab1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fab1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">nerve gas? didnt know that. so then whats the effect it would have?</TD></TR></TABLE>
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sarin, a colorless and odorless gas, has a lethal dose of 0.5 milligram for an adult. It is 26 times more deadly than cyanide gas and is 20 times more lethal than potassium cyanide. Just 0.01 milligram per kilogram of body weight a pinprick sized droplet will kill a human. The vapor is slightly heavier than air, so it hovers close to the ground. Under wet and humid weather conditions sarin degrades swiftly, but as the temperature rises up to a certain point, sarin’s lethal duration increases, despite the humidity.
Mankind has always searched for more and more powerful weapons, whether it be a bigger rock to throw a better quality bow and arrow or musket or a more powerful bomb. Obviously this century it has been explosives of one kind or another. More specifically the tendancy has been for more powerful missiles or aerial bombs this race reached its height when the nuclear bomb was invented the power of these bombs were so supremly powerful that the target would be of no use to anyone after the explosion due to the damage and contamination. So as a result the search for weapons that would kill the enemy but leave the surrounding area undamaged and any contamination short lived. Chemical and Biological weapons were the answer to these problems. Chemical weapons have been around in less sophisticated forms for decades, they were used quite extensively in the first world war but took the form of simple gasses such as chlorine and mustard gas. In this day and age the current crop of chemical weapons are far more dangerous and well researched.
Among the most dangerous chemical weapons are the so called nerve gasses or nerve agents, nerve agents have entirely dominated chemical warfare since the Second World War. Nerve agents acquired their name because they affect the transmission of nerve impulses in the nervous system. All nerve agents belong chemically to the group of organo-phosphorus compounds. They are stable and easily dispersed, highly toxic and have rapid effects both when absorbed through the skin and via respiration. Nerve agents can be manufactured by means of fairly simple chemical techniques. The raw materials are inexpensive and generally readily available. This makes them even more dangerous as they can be made by any irresponsible mind with a decent laboratory.
Chemical and Biological weoponary are the future of modern warfare. The governments of the world spend billions of pounds a year resarching more nerve gasses and biological weapons and cures for there effects. This pattern is not going to change but policing of this technology is going to beome increasingly important. Should the nations of the world ever have to fight someone other than themelves Chemical and biological weapons will most likely be the most effective so prehaps this research can be justified. It has always been mankinds nature to fight but it is important to consider that the American national military budget could solve the homeless problem in he states in Just over a year. Modern warfare does not require the amount of money that some countries spend on it but with human nature so fickel another war is never going to be that far away.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Here's the basics...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sarin, a colorless and odorless gas, has a lethal dose of 0.5 milligram for an adult. It is 26 times more deadly than cyanide gas and is 20 times more lethal than potassium cyanide. Just 0.01 milligram per kilogram of body weight a pinprick sized droplet will kill a human. The vapor is slightly heavier than air, so it hovers close to the ground. Under wet and humid weather conditions sarin degrades swiftly, but as the temperature rises up to a certain point, sarin’s lethal duration increases, despite the humidity.
Mankind has always searched for more and more powerful weapons, whether it be a bigger rock to throw a better quality bow and arrow or musket or a more powerful bomb. Obviously this century it has been explosives of one kind or another. More specifically the tendancy has been for more powerful missiles or aerial bombs this race reached its height when the nuclear bomb was invented the power of these bombs were so supremly powerful that the target would be of no use to anyone after the explosion due to the damage and contamination. So as a result the search for weapons that would kill the enemy but leave the surrounding area undamaged and any contamination short lived. Chemical and Biological weapons were the answer to these problems. Chemical weapons have been around in less sophisticated forms for decades, they were used quite extensively in the first world war but took the form of simple gasses such as chlorine and mustard gas. In this day and age the current crop of chemical weapons are far more dangerous and well researched.
Among the most dangerous chemical weapons are the so called nerve gasses or nerve agents, nerve agents have entirely dominated chemical warfare since the Second World War. Nerve agents acquired their name because they affect the transmission of nerve impulses in the nervous system. All nerve agents belong chemically to the group of organo-phosphorus compounds. They are stable and easily dispersed, highly toxic and have rapid effects both when absorbed through the skin and via respiration. Nerve agents can be manufactured by means of fairly simple chemical techniques. The raw materials are inexpensive and generally readily available. This makes them even more dangerous as they can be made by any irresponsible mind with a decent laboratory.
Chemical and Biological weoponary are the future of modern warfare. The governments of the world spend billions of pounds a year resarching more nerve gasses and biological weapons and cures for there effects. This pattern is not going to change but policing of this technology is going to beome increasingly important. Should the nations of the world ever have to fight someone other than themelves Chemical and biological weapons will most likely be the most effective so prehaps this research can be justified. It has always been mankinds nature to fight but it is important to consider that the American national military budget could solve the homeless problem in he states in Just over a year. Modern warfare does not require the amount of money that some countries spend on it but with human nature so fickel another war is never going to be that far away.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: How can I make new A/C lines? (ScrapinSi)
Thanks for the advice! I know a local shop does does some excellent A/C work. I'll see if they can help me out.
Damn, it makes Sarin gas when you ignite it....??? scary
Damn, it makes Sarin gas when you ignite it....??? scary
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Re: How can I make new A/C lines? (ZhaGg)
In fact, r12 does not degrade into Sarin, but another chemical agent known as phosgene. As far as I can tell, it's not a nerve agent, but more like chlorine gas. Nasty **** to be sure, but I'd wager that if the system has been vented for some days, atleast, there will be only trace amounts of r12.
"Freon in copper tubing open to the enviroment can turn into phosgene gas after coming in contact with extreme heat, such as, while brazing or in a fire situation. Phosgene is a substance that was used as a chemical weapon in World War I. Low exposure can cause irritation, but high levels cause fluid to collect in the lungs, possibly resulting in fatality."
"During or immediately after exposure to dangerous concentrations of phosgene, the following signs and symptoms may develop:
Coughing
Burning sensation in the throat and eyes
Watery eyes
Blurred vision
Difficulty breathing or shortness of breath
Nausea and vomiting
Skin contact can result in lesions similar to those from frostbite or burns
Following exposure to high concentrations of phosgene, a person may develop fluid in the lungs (pulmonary edema) within 2 to 6 hours."
"Most people who recover after an exposure to phosgene make a complete recovery. However, chronic bronchitis and emphysema have been reported as a result of phosgene exposure."
http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/ph...s.asp
"Freon in copper tubing open to the enviroment can turn into phosgene gas after coming in contact with extreme heat, such as, while brazing or in a fire situation. Phosgene is a substance that was used as a chemical weapon in World War I. Low exposure can cause irritation, but high levels cause fluid to collect in the lungs, possibly resulting in fatality."
"During or immediately after exposure to dangerous concentrations of phosgene, the following signs and symptoms may develop:
Coughing
Burning sensation in the throat and eyes
Watery eyes
Blurred vision
Difficulty breathing or shortness of breath
Nausea and vomiting
Skin contact can result in lesions similar to those from frostbite or burns
Following exposure to high concentrations of phosgene, a person may develop fluid in the lungs (pulmonary edema) within 2 to 6 hours."
"Most people who recover after an exposure to phosgene make a complete recovery. However, chronic bronchitis and emphysema have been reported as a result of phosgene exposure."
http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/ph...s.asp
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Re: How can I make new A/C lines? (ion_four)
phosgene is a chocking agent, and only in large amounts. The amount you'd get from the lines is insignificant.
But did you know that in fact:
"if you catch spark plug wires on fire you can get Anthrax spores from it"
But did you know that in fact:
"if you catch spark plug wires on fire you can get Anthrax spores from it"
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Re: How can I make new A/C lines? (Mullet_R)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mullet_R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">phosgene is a chocking agent, and only in large amounts. The amount you'd get from the lines is insignificant.
But did you know that in fact:
"if you catch spark plug wires on fire you can get Anthrax spores from it" </TD></TR></TABLE>
phosgene gas is still bad in small amounts but not as bad as it's later developed counterpart. The worse of the two is diphosgene which decomposes into both phosgene and chloroform. I think you can assume what happens with that. You simply pass out and continue to breath it in.
Also, I am a microbiologist for the food and drug administration in atlanta and can categorically deny that you cannot get anthrax spores/anthrax from burning spark plug wires.
anyway, as for the a/c lines.
Simply take the solid ends you need for each side of the respective line and either go get a new hose section added at any diesel/hydraulic place for about $30 or go to the local a/c SUPPLY store and have them do it for about $50.
But did you know that in fact:
"if you catch spark plug wires on fire you can get Anthrax spores from it"
</TD></TR></TABLE>phosgene gas is still bad in small amounts but not as bad as it's later developed counterpart. The worse of the two is diphosgene which decomposes into both phosgene and chloroform. I think you can assume what happens with that. You simply pass out and continue to breath it in.
Also, I am a microbiologist for the food and drug administration in atlanta and can categorically deny that you cannot get anthrax spores/anthrax from burning spark plug wires.
anyway, as for the a/c lines.
Simply take the solid ends you need for each side of the respective line and either go get a new hose section added at any diesel/hydraulic place for about $30 or go to the local a/c SUPPLY store and have them do it for about $50.
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