i have a 94 ls teg with a b16 tranny, and i want 2 go boost. I got a spare b16 bottom end with a head. I was going 2 build a budget setup on a stock bottom end with a 3 layer headgasket 2 lower the compression. I looking for low-13's, stock, ive done my reasearch, but confused on what size turbo 2 use. Some people say t25 cause it spools good on a b16(lack of torque), or a t3/t4, but i would have a bit of turbo lag. I was going 2 go wit a log style manifold from spooling peformance along wit down pipe and ic piping, cause it looks like good, and like it would hold a good amount of power. Just looking 4 a little guidence on which 2 choose so i dont pick the sorry 1, all help is appreciated.


Modified by joboost13 at 5:34 PM 9/26/2004

 

just boost your stock gsr. you can easily get low 13's

 

put your b16 head on your ls block and then boost that. ls/vtec turbo

 

i dont have a gsr, i got a ls, but its close 2 200,000 miles. So i thought instead of biulding ls vtec, just build b16 vtec turbo. I know alot of people say just slap the head on anf u will get thier faster, though true, thats not what i want 2 do. Besides, i like the b16 for boost, and since i have the b16 tranny, it goes perfect. With a ls vtec, my friend built 1 and boosted it, wouldn't catch traction with his b16 tranny. And i dont want 2 look 4 a gsr tranny in good condition, cause thier hard 2 find. And i have a perfect 2000 si tranny, so why give it up? THAnk 4 the susgestions though, but no ls vtec here.

 

Your friend couldn't catch traction with a B16 tranny/LSVTEC combo because he doesn't know how to drive. Sell your B16 shortblock. Buy new rings, bearings, gaskets, seals, oil and water pump, ARP studs, rebuild your LS, slap on your VTEC head, and go for it. Swapping in the B16 motor just doesn't make sense.

 

ls/vtec would just be a better option to boost. you wont be as happy with just a b16 turbo

 

i dont like ls vtec, its something i would want 2 do 4 my daily driver. Im not hating cause i have friends who have ls vtecs, 2 are turbo and 2 are all motor, but only 1 has blown. Which is the one that cant catch traction. And they were all built right, exept 4 one that lasted 1 month, they all rev 2 8200 smooth. But they gave out. Like i stated above, i know it would be easier 2 get thier, but do not want that setup. So please stop telling me 2 go lsvtec when i made it clear thats not what i want 2 do. Ive seen b16 turboed making 300 plus, and thats fine 4 me. Plus im getting some eagle rods from a friend of mine 4 150. And then all i need are soem pistons, and ill be straight, so no worries.

 

no 1 gonna help me out on this 1? I just need some ideas, i know there are alot of boosted b16's arounf here. I no its going into a teg, but the wieght shouldn't matter that much. Im building the bottom end now, got a hookup wit a friend that works at a part store, thinking of eagle rods with wiesco 9:0 pistons and a block guard. Looking 2 boost 15 pounds, not 2 sure what 2 use 4 manegment. Was going 2 use a V-AFC controller but people say its garbage, 2 better get hondata or AEM. I just want 2 know some setups so i dont blow my engine cause my fuel manegment was garbage.

 

sleeve it and go puater rods...cp pistons...you wont blow that up....run your 15 lbs through that setup...just keep the 10.2:1's...that'll take 15 psi all day long...
DARTON!

 

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Guess what, the weight will matter; we're talking about a DC chasis compared to the EM1.
Not only that I thought you wanted it stock, but now you're looking for internals?

I dont think using the B16 is stupid if you're looking for internals.
I myself is searching around for a good turbo block, and what to do with it.
I do have a spare B16 and the r/s ratio on it is 1.74:1 which is awesome so go for the B16.
if you're looking to turbo on stock sleeves no question the B18b, which was your first post.

 

i aint sleeving the block, but a am putting in wiesco 9 cp pistons and eagle rods wit a block guard.

 

whoa ur using 2 diff types of pistons and they're 9:0 damn that thing should make some CRAZY power!!!!

 

2 diffrent types of pistons? Thier all the same, wiesco 9:0 cp, were did u get 2 diffrent types from?

 

and about the wieght issue, a 99 si wieghs 2700 hundred pounds, while the ls is 2755 pounds, which is not the big of a diffrence, if it was a hatch or a dx coupe, then thats a diffrence in wieght. But 50 2 60 pound does't mean jack, especially when ur boosting 15 pounds, and making 300+whp. If it were an all motor build then it would b stupid 2 use a b16, but not 4 boost. 2 much torque becomes a problem with front wheel drive boosted cars anymay, look at the k20 hatch making 400+hp, it runs mid-high 11's. It can't pick up traction, so not being that torquey down low is kind of a good thing, but only when boosting and making big numbers.

 

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hahaha wiseco is one type and cp is another type. dont use abbreviations if u dont know they're correct. sounds like u really dont have any idea what you're talking about. just read all the threads you can on going turbo and then if u have any questions you can post

9:0 hahahaha

 

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hahaha wiseco is one type and cp is another type. dont use abbreviations if u dont know they're correct. sounds like u really dont have any idea what you're talking about. just read all the threads you can on going turbo and then if u have any questions you can post

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Shhh (f)lamer, he obviously meant compression with the cp. Buddyboy jboost, if you have four friends who have properly build LS/Vtecs, and TWO of them are boosted, and still runnning.... your talking to the wrong people for help.

 

i know, there is just stupid pepole on here that think they know everything, how else do u put compression into a abriviation. And just cause i dotn have that , many post people think i don't know ****, which gets me pissed. I was just posting up 2 see some setups that people have done, not 2 be tought on whats better. And if u have some advice then post it, dont b a dick about it, and i know that cp is a piston also, but if u have half a brain, u would know what i was talking about by putting it after 9:0. So dont acuse me of not knowing my ****, and post something useful next time.

 

9:0 is not a piston compression ratio
and btw compression ratio=c/r not cp
do some research and stop acting like you know your **** when its clear you dont.
you ask for our advice and then blow it off like it doesnt matter. it sounds like you already know what you wanna do no matter what we say so just end this thread

 

my bad 4 the mistake of using cp 4 cr 4 compresion ratio. But i dont like when some 1 makes a simple mistake and people go off on them saying they dont know notin. And i do take peoples advice, and thats how i got 2 wanting 2 use the b16. But i want 2 know if a 9:0 cr is 2 low, should i get pistons wit a higher cr? Just cause i picked my block does not mean i picked my internals. And i dont mean 2 soem of the things i say sometime, but u should still not jump on my *** 4 a little mistake i maid, and posted up the right abreviation the first time.

 

once again theres no such thing as 9:0
a 1.6 liter is the worst pick out of your choices but i guess you already knew that. your best bet would be ls/vtec so you have the displacement and the better flow of the b16 vtec head. it it is tuned correctly it will not blow.

 

so thiers no 9:0 cr ratio pistons out thier 4 a b16? I was going by what my friend was selling me, he works a murrys auto in miami. So i dont know the cr, but if u say thay there is no such thing than thats ok. The reason im doing the b16 is cause its not in my car. The ls is in my car already, and i dont feel like being with out a car. Maybe i should just find a ls short block, maybe i shouldnt. I know the 1.6 is the worst block, cause of no displacment but i was just going 4 what i alerady had, didn't feel like looking 4 a short block. But if i would run across 4 cheap i would maybe get it.

 

not 9:0 but 9.0:1..

 

well it sounds like u know whwat you want so just stick with the b16. i have an almost complete turbo kit forsale if you're interested. you will still need an intercooler and bov to get her running. heres the link https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1006536

 

9.0:1 is what i meant 2 say, sorry about that.i would like 2 use the b16 block, lack of torque but ill have hell of high end, plus if u think about it, if u race from a dead stop, 2 much torque down low will kill u, but if u launch on a car that has power from mid and up, the power will b more handy in the bigging gears instead of just burring tires. My friends eclipse turbo is on 20 pounds, of the line it just burns tires till 3rd gear, and he makes hell alot of torque. So i figured, use a 1.6 B16, and i should not have that problem. Thats probaly the main reason i went wit a b16 block, if not, i would just build a ls vtec and call it a day.

 

Depends on what you want to do with it. If you want to drag race it get the bigger turbo and live with the lag, but personally for a daily driver I'd get the T25 so I could have more usable power. That's especially true if you are dropping your compression ratio to 9:1.