Just wondeirng what is out there? I have a 93 and I'd like it to be just a little flatter in the corners, not looking to spend a ton of money and the car is stock except for the wheels are slightly larger than stock. If anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

 

try the dc lower tie bar. i have one and it makes a noticeable difference. not huge, but definitely noticeable. some of the other members around here have said that it bends, but i havent gotten under to look at it.

 

Suspension Techniques rear sway bar....... will give you exactly what you are looking for

 

Now don't laugh but I used to have a Grand Am it was a 90 and the rear bar was HUGE, and the one that comes on the honda is kinda pathetic. It looks like it's no bigger than the antenna! Where can I pick one up from? Seems all the bigger aftermarket manufacturers only sell them for 98 and up Accords.

Oh and about how much do they run? BTW I had a Type R for a while so I know I'm not going to have the same handling but going from the R to the Accord there is a bit more body roll.

Thanks for the help!

 

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that is the difference between a FWD and RWD

all cars come from the factory with built in understeer, it is done different between the two
that is why you only really need a rear bar to get the *** end to come around better,look at how big the front bar is from the factory, a bigger front will help you be stable but make you understeer even more

 

I have a 5th gen and I bought my ST front / back sway bar for $175 a while ago. Haven't got time to install them yet. But I think for 4th gen, you can have Eibach also beside ST, or maybe Intrax made them .. not sure ...

 

anyone know what the standard sway bar on the rear of a 93 accord is? I'm looking at one that says it is about 27mm on the rear in diameter but I have no idea what is on the car now? IS it that the replacement ones are solid and the factory ones are hollow? I'm just trying to figure out what the difference is. Any help again is appreciated. Would that be too much or should I look for something smaller?

Thanks in advance!



[Modified by briq4, 9:51 PM 12/12/2001]

 

27mm rear? i haven't heard of them making them that big for the rear..... are you sure that it is not the front bar?

i believe the rear is around 17mm

 

Eibach makes a 16 mm rear for our cars, so I'd guess the stock bar to be smaller than that even, so around 15 mm or so.

 

Just realized that I had the numbers transposed. SOrry about that. So I guess the bottom line is , is it worth it to get aftermarket if it's not even that much larger in diameter than stock? Do they use thicker metal or am I just throwing away money?

 

No it is not a waste of money at all..... rear sway bar is one suspension mod you will definently notice a difference with. Before you change it pick a corner where you can safely take pretty aggressively and od so with stock bar. Then put your aftermarket on and take the corner again. You will notice the rear of the car wanting to come around alot more and your car will not plow through the corner as much.

 

The Suspension Technologies (or is it Suspension Techniques?) rear anti roll bar for Accords is just under 21 mm, compared to ~15 mm stock. It makes quite a big difference in the car's cornering attitude. First time I took an Interstate entrance ramp I was amazed at how flat the car cornered. Tendency to understeer is significantly reduced, but the caveat is it's easier to invoke dangerous snap oversteer. This bar shouldn't be used for a purely street car, but those that regularly autocross and/or road race.

 

very true Dave, if you have no clue as to what oversteer is I wouldn't recommend purchasing the bar for purely street use, i tend to assume everyone wants to run on the track

 

I was wondering if anyone knew if the Suspension Techniques rear front sway bars were them part numbers for the 4th a 5thgen accords? oh dave yea it is Suspension Techniques i checked. and what did you mean by a dangerous snap understeer?


[Modified by Sabastian, 9:19 AM 12/14/2001]

 

I know the S/T rear bar is the same part for 4th and 5th gens, but I think it's only for 93-97 Accord EXs (because I guess it doesn't work with the rear drum setups). I dunno about the front bar. Snap oversteer can be dangerous, not understeer. All cars are engineered to understeer at the limit, because it's relatively safe, benign, and easy to recover. It's also called plowing or pushing. It's when you turn your wheel but your car keeps going strait or doesn't turn as sharp as you want it to (hence understeer). This is because you're going too fast and have exceeded the tire's ability to grip the surface enough to turn the car. To recover from understeer you usually steer into the skid. Oversteer is what's dangerous. It's when your car steer more than you want (hence oversteer). It caused by your car's back end breaking loose and swinging around. It's dangerous, because most drivers tend to hit the brakes when they sense their car is out of control. Hitting the brakes is the worst thing you can do when your car is staring to oversteer. Doing so garuntees a spin. The correct recovery from oversteer is to actually step on the gas shift the car's weight to the rear during acceleration. This makes the rear tire hook up and usually recovers you from the spin.

 

the forces involved in snap oversteer are pretty extreme under dry conditions. In a car with street tires you will know when you are understeering or oversteering because the tires will tell you. They scream at you when pushed hard. i believe you might be using snap oversteer a little losely. Snap oversteer tends to be associated with corrections made to a car when a little oversteer is already happening. Hence the word snap, it basically means that while oversteering you change something and the car snaps into a spin that is not controlled. This may be what Dave is reffering to, but I believe it is not something that should be overly worried about on the street. You will be scared enough when the tires just begin to howle, much less when they are going to break loose.

 

Yeah the "snap" part comes with throttle lift or brake application once the rear end is already breaking loose. The way I see some people drive on public roads, this should be a consideration for fat rear anti roll bars. I've even seen a FWD car with stock suspension take a 90 degree intersection too fast, trail braking caused the rear to step out ever so slightly, they pressed the brake harder, and 180 spin for them. Things also really escalate in rain and snow too.

 

ok im not an idiot driver but i was thinking of adding a rear sway and tie bar when i did my new kyb's and coilovers but now dave has got me kinda worried lol

 

I think, and not that Dave's logic is wrong, that he has scared you a little too much. this is why I tell people when they ask "what they should do to their car" to learn as much as possible about it first.
Now that you have asked you will be looking for the oversteer to happen, which is more than I can say for most people that put these bars on the car. You will be fine- if you understand it is going to change some of the physics of the car. I still think that a sway bar is one of the most cost effective upgrades you can make.

 

Well I've noticed that all suspension and sway bar packages are still tuned for neutrality and tendency for understeer. All spring kits have a lower rate in the back relative to the front and all anti roll kits add fatter bars up front to keep the bigger rear bar from reducing understeer too much. I figure the companies do this to give the mass market a safer product and sporty ride, and not a liability. Anyone serious about handling never gets a kit; always custom spring rates with a rear bias and just a rear sway bar instead of the kit (well, for FWD anyways). No need to be scared, I'm just following the logic of every vendor mass market package out there.
If you're looking for flatter cornering, get a sway bar kit.
If you're looking to reduce understeer, get just the rear.

 

To reiterate, don't be worried, the car isn't mysteriously going to break loose on you. I'm just trying to explain stuff.

 

well i can get both the front and the rear bar for cheaper than just the rear... dont ask anyway i think i will get it like that from ST and just do the rear bar and test it like that and then do both and see which i liked better. then prolly do that with and with out the rear tie bar once i found the setup i like ill add the kybs and coilovers havent decided which coilovers yet tho any ideas??

 

i got you explination dave thnx you pointed out some issues i hadnt thought about so ill note then when testing bars

 

Can't go wrong with a set of KYB AGXs and Groundcontrol coilovers with Ebach springs. High performance and about the cheapest high quailty coilover setup you can get.

 

wow thanks for all the responses. I'm going to see about going with the front and rear, and try just the rear (as I hear the front is more difficult to put on, and see how it feels, I know the Type R was mucho fun to drive and I know that with the R if you let off the gas really fast in a corner the back end was guaranteed to follow, and I drove that car in auto crosses as well as street driving and it was great for both. Do you think that adding the rear bar would make my accord no streetable? I don't race people on the streets I just want to have some fun on off ramps and on the twisties. Not really looking to win any races I'm just want something to flatten out the car a bit. WIth that said still sound like a good idea?

I know the Accord can't be the R, and I do miss her (not the crazy insurance prices tho!) but I think the chassis and the suspension itself is first rate, and ya can take 4 people along on the trip with ya! Anyhow thanks again for all the advice. I'm going to look into prices, and places I can get the sway bars from. OH any advice on who to go to? I'm in the PHiladelphia area.

Thanks~!