After I get rid of my GSR I'm getting a hatch. Probably an EK. I was thinking maybe I could swap over all of the '99-'00 Si brake parts and still remain H-stock legal since they're standard on a model of the same generation. Or am I mistaken and I absolutely cannot modify anything other than linings?

 

Nope. You can only swap parts that were available on your chassis as factory options and only if you swap all of the applicable parts (i.e. even trim pieces, interior, sunroof, whatever). Since the Si wasn't available in hatch config this is definitely a big no-no. Now if you did the swap and didn't tell anyone about it...

 

Man, I've been trying to find some loophole to run bigger brakes with for the longest time. Why is SCCA so damn strict about it?!?! Even STS is out...as soon as the brakes get bigger it looks like I'm stuck in SM.


12.4 Standard Part

An item of standard or optional equipment that could have been ordered with the car, installed on the factory production line, and delivered through a dealer in the United States. Dealer-installed options or deletions, except as required by factory directives, no matter how common or what their origin, are not included in this definition. This definition does not allow the updating or backdating of parts.

17.6. BRAKES

1. Cross drilled or slotted brake rotorsare permitted, same size and type as standard.
2. Alternate DOT approved flexible brake lines.
3. Air ducts may be fitted to the brakes, provided that they extend in a forward direction only, and that no changes are made in the body/structure for their use. They may serve no other purpose.

There's just gotta be a loophole....


[Modified by MrFatBooty, 3:09 AM 12/12/2001]

 

I'd suggest that you stop trying to find loopholes. If for no other reason than just when you think you've found one...another competitor will quote something else from the rulebook that makes you obviously illegal.

Not to mention the ethical issues.

In an H-stock car, IMO brakes should never be a problem for Solo 2.

 

I am pretty darn sure there is no "loophole" as you speak of. There aren't a whole heck of a lot of them in the SCCA Solo GCR that haven't already been exploited. As krshultz said, you shouldn't need big brakes for autoxing a HS car. Locally, people might not care if you are slower than they are but I assure you, you will not pull any wool over anyone's eyes at a National. Rather, blatantly cheating would succeed in making you look like an *** and tarnishing your good name over something pretty stupid. Good pads should give you all the brakes you need for stock. SCCA is strict about it because... well, those are the rules of "Stock". You are more than welcome to run bigger brakes in SM.

 

I'm not trying to cheat, I'm just trying to figure out if there's any way to make it legal. Oh well, I guess the brakes'll have to wait until I get a B-series in there. Which'll be a long time. But plenty of seat time...

 

Loopholes aside, big brakes can only hurt you for autocross - especially in an HS car..... they will take longer to warm up, and increase unsprung weight. Why you'd want big brakes for a low-HP autoX car is beyond me - a good set of pads (carbotech kelate metallics work GREAT for lightweight autoX cars) is all you need and keep the fluid fresh with ATE or MOTUL.

-Ryan

 

I agree. Try to build your car to the rules, not what's not in the rules.

The rules are made so that people don't go bananas in stock - which is why it's called stock. I have no problems with my brakes in STS and on occassion lock them up so that means my tires are crap Definitely don't need big brakes for autocross unless you are a 1200lb tube frame car with 200hp like in AM.

 

My EK DX has all the brakes I need for autocross, even in FSP. Rear brake bias, as well as pedal feel is enhanced just by pulling up a click or two on the e-brake. Sounds a little crazy, but you can pull the e-brake at least a few clicks before there is any noticeable brake drag on the rear wheels. By "brake drag", I'm talking about jacking up the car and spinning the wheel with your hand...

 

What exactly are your goals with the car? Personal enjoyment? National-level autox?

My reasoning is... the above statement makes it sound as though you're willing to spend the money on a B-series swap in order to have big brakes. That strikes me as a very expensive proposition. Not trying to sound too sarcastic, just trying to help!

 

It's H Stock...everyone's brakes suck in that class.

And it is sometimes untrue that you can get by with weak brakes for autox (pads only do so much). On some larger Divisional and national courses, I have used my brakes quite extensively and harshly. Going about 65-70 mph and a 120 degree turn is approaching, you're gonna want good brakes for good times.

However, for HS, everyone has crappy brakes and speeds are slower, so it is a non-issue, especially at local events.