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2000 Insight Brake Drums on a 95 Civic EX 2dr Coupe manual trans
Can i make this work without switching the backplate and what all do you have to remove to change the backplate and is that all I'd have to do to make this work?
the internal diameter of my current stock rear drum is 200mm, the outside of it is like 235mm. (95 civic ex 2dr manual)
the insight drum i want is centric part 123.40015 and its outer diameter is 226mm, max diameter is 181mm.
The insight drums are on the way, will they fit right on? If not, what mods are necessary?
Re: 2000 Insight Brake Drums on a 95 Civic EX 2dr Coupe manual trans
I heard that it had rear discs, too but no, mine doesn't, and that's fine because drums are lighter in this case.
You think they'll fit? Do you have to remove the hub assembly to replace the backplate? Because I'm thinking I'll have to replace hub assembly if i pull it off.
Re: 2000 Insight Brake Drums on a 95 Civic EX 2dr Coupe manual trans
I got the drums and they don't fit, they're too small for my backplate.
I'm going to junkyard to get the backplate. Any trim 92-95 civic with manual transmission will have the smaller backplate is my understanding. Will i also need the spindle? The 95 civic ex only had 4 wheel disc brakes IF you had abs.
Re: 2000 Insight Brake Drums on a 95 Civic EX 2dr Coupe manual trans
I obtained the drum backplate off of a civic cx and it fits the insight drums, but the smaller backplates don't fit on my civic ex. I guess i need the spindle off the cx, too? But will a cx spindle fit on an ex??
Re: 2000 Insight Brake Drums on a 95 Civic EX 2dr Coupe manual trans
I just see that the Honda parts catalog shows the spindle and trailing arm as one piece. That is you're not supposed to separate them, if it's even possible.
The bolt pattern is most likely different. Are they the same bolts that go through the backing plate, spindle base, and trailing arm? In that case of course all the parts have to have the same bolt pattern.
Re: 2000 Insight Brake Drums on a 95 Civic EX 2dr Coupe manual trans
Originally Posted by mk378
I just see that the Honda parts catalog shows the spindle and trailing arm as one piece. That is you're not supposed to separate them, if it's even possible.
The bolt pattern is most likely different. Are they the same bolts that go through the backing plate, spindle base, and trailing arm? In that case of course all the parts have to have the same bolt pattern.
Spindle and trailing arm are joined with torx bolts that go through the backside. I heard it's hard to get off. They aren't the same bolts that go through the backing plate. I will measure before i try
Last edited by lurice01; Jan 25, 2018 at 07:12 AM.
Re: 2000 Insight Brake Drums on a 95 Civic EX 2dr Coupe manual trans
I ended up pulling the whole trailing arms off of the junk CX. Now when trying to remove the trailing arms off my EX i ran into a problem.
The 17mm bolts that hold the big trailing arm bushing on to the car itself got stuck. Both of them got stuck, they all got stuck about half way out using air impact gun and a couple days of pb blaster.
I tried to impact one back in a little then back it out more, now it just spins.☹️ Like the piece it threads into is destroyed.
Inside the car, I took the backseat apart and cut away metal directly above where the bolts go in so that I could access the top of the bolts. It's rusty in there. I pulled the bolt and the thread nut thing that broke up out thru the top after i cut the bolt head off.
basically, I was starting at 2:00 minutes into this video
https://youtu.be/lDdSHHxnhHg
now when i put that back together, can i just use a new bolt with a washer and big nut? And maybe once i torque it down I could try to weld the nuts in place. Are the welds necessary?
Re: 2000 Insight Brake Drums on a 95 Civic EX 2dr Coupe manual trans
The nuts are welded on to make it easier to put the car together at the factory. If you can hold the nut from the other side while tightening the bolt, it doesn't have to be welded.
Re: 2000 Insight Brake Drums on a 95 Civic EX 2dr Coupe manual trans
If you haven't cut the head off the bolt yet, weld the factory nut back into place and remove the bolt with an impact gun. If you have already cut the head off the bolt clamp the tube shaped nut in a bench vise and weld a nut to the shaft of the bolt, remove old bolt with impact gun. Chase threads of original welded nut and weld it back on the car. That's a pretty special nut, it's not really something you can just replace with a regular nut and washers.
Re: 2000 Insight Brake Drums on a 95 Civic EX 2dr Coupe manual trans
Originally Posted by 94EG8
If you haven't cut the head off the bolt yet, weld the factory nut back into place and remove the bolt with an impact gun. If you have already cut the head off the bolt clamp the tube shaped nut in a bench vise and weld a nut to the shaft of the bolt, remove old bolt with impact gun. Chase threads of original welded nut and weld it back on the car. That's a pretty special nut, it's not really something you can just replace with a regular nut and washers.
Darn! can i get a second opinion? I just finished putting a nut and washers on it. Are you all sure i gotta weld!!!???
Anyway. The car won't move. It's like the brakes are jammed...
the self adjuster in the drum is all the way down and the wheel spins freely but once i tighten all the lug nuts, the wheel won't spin at all. Why is that?
Re: 2000 Insight Brake Drums on a 95 Civic EX 2dr Coupe manual trans
Either the insight drum is too deep and it's hitting the backing plate or the CX shoes are too wide and hitting the drum. I can't really see anything else that would make it jam up like that.
As far as the nut goes that really should be welded. That's likely to tear a hole through the floor the way it is now.
Re: 2000 Insight Brake Drums on a 95 Civic EX 2dr Coupe manual trans
For the trailing arm bushing bolt, i put the bolt up thru the car, put several washers on, then i put a nut on that torqued to 47 ft lbs.
then i put a big washer on that reaches the sides of what's left of the bracket thing that the nut was welded onto. Then i put a Washer and nut on top that and torqued it to about 35lbs/ft. Is that ok? Pics below.
For the drums, yes, i see they're 2mm taller than a civic drum. Should i have 2mm shaved off or could i just add a couple washers to offset it? Pics below
Inside car, under backseat. Several washers and one nut. POR15 rust treatment Big washer resting on what remains of the top of that bracket thing the nut was welded on. Another small washer on top the big washer. Nut on top of big washer torqued to like 35 lbs/ft Can u see 2mm difference? Should i have that shaved off or could i just put washers behind it?
Last edited by lurice01; Feb 14, 2018 at 05:59 PM.
Re: 2000 Insight Brake Drums on a 95 Civic EX 2dr Coupe manual trans
As long as you're spreading the load over a larger area, your repair should be fine. I have a race harness that uses washers to keep the lap belt from pulling through the sheet metal floor. Now, with the amount of rust you have, that might be a different story.
As for the drums, I think you need to run a wheel spacer under the drum. Just an educated guess. Measure how deep each type of drum is, on the inside. The difference is the minimum thickness of the spacer you need.
Re: 2000 Insight Brake Drums on a 95 Civic EX 2dr Coupe manual trans
Originally Posted by jdblock
So, how much weight are you saving with the al drums?
like 2 lbs rotating weight each side, but i wanted to do SOMETHING with the rear brakes and had I went disc, I would have ADDED weight. Got rid of ugly cast iron.
i ordered the spacers.
Meanwhile I'm focusing on rust around those nuts. POR15 rust treatment is very effective if you follow the directions
Last edited by lurice01; Feb 14, 2018 at 07:32 PM.
2000 Insight Brake Drums on a 95 Civic EX 2dr Coupe manual trans
