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I have a level of hate so high for GRO that is unbelievable. to this day I'll never get over 2012 SPA where he ruined Alonso's hopes for Ferrari F1 title with a very unadvised move to turn 1.
It was very Maldonado-esq of him.
Step noses. Good times. Before the dawn of the dong nose and these Rube Goldberg PUs.
Look at how tiny the rear of dat WIlliams is. Forgot all aboot it.
-edit: I know it isn't but GRO Renault looks like it's photshopped in
Step noses. Good times. Before the dawn of the dong nose and these Rube Goldberg PUs.
Look at how tiny the rear of dat WIlliams is. Forgot all aboot it.
-edit: I know it isn't but GRO Renault looks like it's photshopped in
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nah that was the same guy who kinda took out Vet at Singapore this year....
you think? If ROS hadn't been so fast, then it wouldn't have mattered if HAM blew a motor at Sepang. Bottas is what - 4th in the standings? ROS also had more poles than HAM one year and the two of them were juan-two at almost every race, and of course the title came down to the last race in the 3 years ROS and HAM were together.
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you think? If ROS hadn't been so fast, then it wouldn't have mattered if HAM blew a motor at Sepang. Bottas is what - 4th in the standings? ROS also had more poles than HAM one year and the two of them were juan-two at almost every race, and of course the title came down to the last race in the 3 years ROS and HAM were together.
had experienced dude to mechanical failures no?
and i think the only reason from 2014/16 Ham and Ros finished 1-2 in just about every race was because their PU was sooo much better than the rest of the field. but i could be wrong.
if you think BOT is anywhere close to ROS you're not paying attention
and this is coming from someone who doesn't think much of ROS. he got under HAM's skin so bad that HAM was dropping the car at launches
and this is coming from someone who doesn't think much of ROS. he got under HAM's skin so bad that HAM was dropping the car at launches
Hamilton had 1 more DNF than Rosberg in 2016...***** rigged.
maybe
Well 2014 was double points. Under normal rules it wood have been over b4 the final race. That said
DNFs
2014 - HAM 3 (2 Q issues) : ROS - 3 (classified as running in AD but engine went south and he was told to retire but he wanted to finish the race, was lap down)
2015 - HAM 1 : ROS 2 (did not delve into Q for either)
2016 - HAM 2 : ROS 1 (again I didn't look into Q ) However I remember HAM had several bad starts that compromised his chances JPN and BAH are 2 that I recall pretty well. This was the year of the Spanish Incident.
DNFs
2014 - HAM 3 (2 Q issues) : ROS - 3 (classified as running in AD but engine went south and he was told to retire but he wanted to finish the race, was lap down)
2015 - HAM 1 : ROS 2 (did not delve into Q for either)
2016 - HAM 2 : ROS 1 (again I didn't look into Q ) However I remember HAM had several bad starts that compromised his chances JPN and BAH are 2 that I recall pretty well. This was the year of the Spanish Incident.
This. ROS didn't have the raw speed (sup jake) but made up for it with consistency and mental toughness. He was a worthy competitor to HAM, especially in 2014 and 2016.
Also, who knows where VER fits into all of this. I wonder if RIC is still as fast compared to Vettel as he was in 2014. Would like to see him go up against HAM.
HAM = ALO (2007)
ALO > RAI (2014)
VET > RAI (2015+)
RIC > VET (2014)
VER > RIC (2016+)
HAM = ALO (2007)
ALO > RAI (2014)
VET > RAI (2015+)
RIC > VET (2014)
VER > RIC (2016+)
I'm not saying VET > RIC or even = to but I'm saying 1 year with significant regulation changes to me doesn't give me confidence to proclaim anything other than RIC scored moar points than VET in 2014.
If VET was that good why could't he have adapted to the car better?
With all the years in the team, certainly they would have built a car that "suited" his style more?
With all the years in the team, certainly they would have built a car that "suited" his style more?
Ric is the only teammate to have beaten Vet over the course of a season - one which saw Vettel struggle with a completely new car and reliability issues.
This is from 2012:
This is from 2012:
Like Alonso, Vettel is medium-hard on the brakes but less brutal with the initial steering. He prefers the car to be quite nervous and pointy on entry and is ready to remove some of the initial lock once the front has gripped and caused the rear to step out. He has a great feel for pivoting the car in this way to quicken its direction change.
With the Red Bull’s exhaust-enhanced rear downforce he was the first to develop a counter- intuitive technique of taking what would normally be excessive speed in, getting the front in and then using the resultant oversteer to get him the direction change early in the corner.
Conventionally, this would be counter- productive; the slide would continue after you’d got the direction change, losing you momentum and more than losing what you’d just gained. But with exhaust-enhanced downforce like he had in 2011, he would at this point get back hard on the throttle and have the exhaust gas do its stuff by nailing the back end. So he’d get to have his cake and eat it.
It’s a very unnatural thing to do – with the tail threatening to slide too far, the last thing you feel you want to do is stand on the gas. But Seb proved brilliantly adept at it. When the 2012 regulations took most of the blown-diffuser effect away, the Red Bull initially was merely competitive – and into the bargain Vettel’s superiority over team-mate Mark Webber evaporated. But into the last third of the season Red Bull had not only got a significant chunk of exhaust-derived downforce back via re-shaping of the rear bodywork, but had also introduced a tweak in the rear suspension that gave the car a roll-oversteer characteristic into slow turns.
This got Seb back his quick direction change – and now with enough exhaust-enhanced rear downforce to tame that slide once he got back on the throttle. It loosely replicated the behaviour of the 2011 car, enough to allow Seb back what he termed “my tricks”. Watching the RB9 in action at Barcelona testing through the slow section at the end of the lap it’s very clear that the trait has been retained, maybe even enhanced.
The car positively rotates around itself as the rear rolls, nice and early into the corner, getting the car perfectly lined up with the apex and enabling the steering lock to be removed as he nails the throttle. It’s a beautiful case study of technology and technique developing together.
How much the impetus has come from Adrian Newey and the Red Bull vehicle dynamicists and how much from Vettel isn’t clear, but it isn’t important. It’s almost certainly been an organic development, a direction to follow that has allowed the driver to take full advantage of his strengths and perhaps leading the engineers in a direction they wouldn’t have otherwise thought to go. Why, after all, would you ordinarily want to introduce roll-oversteer into a car?
With the Red Bull’s exhaust-enhanced rear downforce he was the first to develop a counter- intuitive technique of taking what would normally be excessive speed in, getting the front in and then using the resultant oversteer to get him the direction change early in the corner.
Conventionally, this would be counter- productive; the slide would continue after you’d got the direction change, losing you momentum and more than losing what you’d just gained. But with exhaust-enhanced downforce like he had in 2011, he would at this point get back hard on the throttle and have the exhaust gas do its stuff by nailing the back end. So he’d get to have his cake and eat it.
It’s a very unnatural thing to do – with the tail threatening to slide too far, the last thing you feel you want to do is stand on the gas. But Seb proved brilliantly adept at it. When the 2012 regulations took most of the blown-diffuser effect away, the Red Bull initially was merely competitive – and into the bargain Vettel’s superiority over team-mate Mark Webber evaporated. But into the last third of the season Red Bull had not only got a significant chunk of exhaust-derived downforce back via re-shaping of the rear bodywork, but had also introduced a tweak in the rear suspension that gave the car a roll-oversteer characteristic into slow turns.
This got Seb back his quick direction change – and now with enough exhaust-enhanced rear downforce to tame that slide once he got back on the throttle. It loosely replicated the behaviour of the 2011 car, enough to allow Seb back what he termed “my tricks”. Watching the RB9 in action at Barcelona testing through the slow section at the end of the lap it’s very clear that the trait has been retained, maybe even enhanced.
The car positively rotates around itself as the rear rolls, nice and early into the corner, getting the car perfectly lined up with the apex and enabling the steering lock to be removed as he nails the throttle. It’s a beautiful case study of technology and technique developing together.
How much the impetus has come from Adrian Newey and the Red Bull vehicle dynamicists and how much from Vettel isn’t clear, but it isn’t important. It’s almost certainly been an organic development, a direction to follow that has allowed the driver to take full advantage of his strengths and perhaps leading the engineers in a direction they wouldn’t have otherwise thought to go. Why, after all, would you ordinarily want to introduce roll-oversteer into a car?
Red Bull working hard with Honda ? Marko
“We are very pleased with the progress Honda is making and will continue to make until the start of the season.” It is the strongest sign yet that, with Red Bull’s Renault engine deal ending after 2019, a Red Bull-Honda tie-up for 2019 is probable. Marko said Red Bull will support Honda “for example with the facilities that Red Bull Technology has”.







