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I have driven the new si (sedan) on 2 occasions. The first test drive it was hard to get a sense of what the car could do. The test drive was taken on neighbor hood with speed bumps.
The second test drive I was allowed to drive on my own without the sales man. I took the car up to highway speeds and there was plenty power to pass. It was very comfortable car that felt solid and tight. This is a very refined car and not a wilder si as in previous models. I believe Honda priced this car to sell. This is a car you can drive to work every day and if you feel like it tear up the corners in your leisure time. IMO
I completely agree with this experience. It was so nice, that although we planned to make the leap later on in the year, we found a fantastic dealer that didn't bullshit us (there was one that came to mind that did) and as a result, pulled the trigger. I got initial photos, but tinted windows and the all-season floormats are going in.
Leave the cover on!! :-)<br /><br />It's a fine car for everyday use. A very nice sporting blend of features.
<br /><br />That's the thing..There's no cover to put on or remove!! . That's how she looks from the factory / showroom.<br /><br />The car arrived this morning by my house. Got here a day early!
Are Si's going for MSRP or under? I've been tempted by an EX-T 6-speed sedan after a lengthy test drive, but I'm having a hard time finding an Aegean Blue in my area. Si's in that color are easier to come by.
They are at MSRP. They're definitely not going below it. But, at least they're not going much over MSRP. That to me is the main thing. I test drove both the EX-T sedan and the SI, and there is definitely a difference.
Are Si's going for MSRP or under? I've been tempted by an EX-T 6-speed sedan after a lengthy test drive, but I'm having a hard time finding an Aegean Blue in my area. Si's in that color are easier to come by.
An Si at $24k OTD could be workable. But I can't make the math work at MSRP unless the dealer knocked it out of the park on my trade ('15 Fix EX 6M). Plus, an EX-T is an easier sell as "commuter sled so I don't have to fix the W163 as often."
The Si engine has a different turbo charger, intake cam, pistons and rods than the 1.5 EX-T and Sport engines
FWIW The intake cam on the Sport is also different than the EX 1.5
No. All the hatch's have the same exact part number for the cams. LX. EX, and sport.
Does the Si have the same part number for the exhaust cam? I'd suspect that is where they would just about have to be different.
The Civic si and all civic 2/4 door 1.5 trims along with all CRV's use the same exhaust cam. Most all the engine components except for the oil pan are CRV parts.
The Civic si and all civic 2/4 door 1.5 trims along with all CRV's use the same exhaust cam. Most all the engine components except for the oil pan are CRV parts.
The Civic si and all civic 2/4 door 1.5 trims along with all CRV's use the same exhaust cam. Most all the engine components except for the oil pan are CRV parts.
According to Honda's current parts catalog, this statement is categorically false:
The intake ( 14110-59B-000 ) and exhaust ( 14120-59B-000 ) camshafts are unique to the hatch sport. The EX-T, Si and CR-V all share the same exhaust ( 14120-5AA-A00 ) camshaft. The Si and CR-V have a different intake camshaft ( 14110-5PA-A00 ) than the EX-T camshaft ( 14110-5AA-A00 ). The EX-T and hatch sport share the same turbocharger ( 18900-5AA-A01 )... the Si and CR-V share a different part number ( 18900-5PA-A01 ). The EX-T and hatch sport share the same piston ( 13010-59B-J00 ) and connecting rod ( 13210-59B-J00 ) part numbers... the Si and CR-V share different piston ( 13010-5PA-A00 ) and connecting rod ( 13210-5PA-A00 ) part numbers. Crankshafts are all the same ( 13310-5AA-A00 ) except for the hatch sport... it has a different part number ( 13310-59B-000 ). You are correct about the oil pans... the EX-T and the Si share the same pan ( 11200-5K8-000 ), however, the hatch sport and CR-V each have different part numbers ( 11200-5AG-Z00 and 11200-5PA-A00 respectively).
According to Honda's current parts catalog, this statement is categorically false:
The intake ( 14110-59B-000 ) and exhaust ( 14120-59B-000 ) camshafts are unique to the hatch sport. The EX-T, Si and CR-V all share the same exhaust ( 14120-5AA-A00 ) camshaft. The Si and CR-V have a different intake camshaft ( 14110-5PA-A00 ) than the EX-T camshaft ( 14110-5AA-A00 ). The EX-T and hatch sport share the same turbocharger ( 18900-5AA-A01 )... the Si and CR-V share a different part number ( 18900-5PA-A01 ). The EX-T and hatch sport share the same piston ( 13010-59B-J00 ) and connecting rod ( 13210-59B-J00 ) part numbers... the Si and CR-V share different piston ( 13010-5PA-A00 ) and connecting rod ( 13210-5PA-A00 ) part numbers. Crankshafts are all the same ( 13310-5AA-A00 ) except for the hatch sport... it has a different part number ( 13310-59B-000 ). You are correct about the oil pans... the EX-T and the Si share the same pan ( 11200-5K8-000 ), however, the hatch sport and CR-V each have different part numbers ( 11200-5AG-Z00 and 11200-5PA-A00 respectively).
I was saying the civic si and the CRV use the same engine parts except for the oil pan. Was not including the lesser civic models.
Also your first statement is wrong. The cams are unique to the HATCH not just a HATCH SPORT. Not every hatch is a sport.
I was saying the civic si and the CRV use the same engine parts except for the oil pan. Was not including the lesser civic models.
Also your first statement is wrong. The cams are unique to the HATCH not just a HATCH SPORT. Not every hatch is a sport.
Nothing that I stated was wrong... just potentially not all inclusive. My details are accurate with respect to the specific models stated.
I selected the hatch sport because I chose a manual transmission for ALL applications discussed, and I knew that the sport offered the manual option. You may be right about the cams being different across all hatch trim levels... and since I am completely unimpressed, and thus, totally uninterested in any Civic model with a CVT transmission, I didn't care to spend the time to research the differences between those as well.
Nothing that I stated was wrong... just potentially not all inclusive. My details are accurate with respect to the specific models stated.
I selected the hatch sport because I chose a manual transmission for ALL applications discussed, and I knew that the sport offered the manual option. You may be right about the cams being different across all hatch trim levels... and since I am completely unimpressed, and thus, totally uninterested in any Civic model with a CVT transmission, I didn't care to spend the time to research the differences between those as well.
If you're not going to do proper research on a car you're not interested in, don't come to a thread and post info that is incorrect or only specific to things only on your mind at the time. I've been with Honda in fixed operations for over 13 years. I'm quite sure I know the products we produce since I sit and stare at the inventory lists for the civic all day.
Nothing that I stated was wrong... just potentially not all inclusive. My details are accurate with respect to the specific models stated.
I selected the hatch sport because I chose a manual transmission for ALL applications discussed, and I knew that the sport offered the manual option. You may be right about the cams being different across all hatch trim levels... and since I am completely unimpressed, and thus, totally uninterested in any Civic model with a CVT transmission, I didn't care to spend the time to research the differences between those as well.
Originally Posted by nsxmatt
If you're not going to do proper research on a car you're not interested in, don't come to a thread and post info that is incorrect or only specific to things only on your mind at the time. I've been with Honda in fixed operations for over 13 years. I'm quite sure I know the products we produce since I sit and stare at the inventory lists for the civic all day.
Whoa , whoa whoa!!!! I thought this was a discussion here, fellas? No need to start chest-beating now, right?!?!
The Civic si and all civic 2/4 door 1.5 trims along with all CRV's use the same exhaust cam. Most all the engine components except for the oil pan are CRV parts.
My initial post was to clarify this statement. If you meant that the Si and the CR-V were nearly identical... you were not specific in stating this.
Originally Posted by nsxmatt
I was saying the civic si and the CRV use the same engine parts except for the oil pan. Was not including the lesser civic models.
Also your first statement is wrong. The cams are unique to the HATCH not just a HATCH SPORT. Not every hatch is a sport.
I compared the Hatch Sport to the EX-T, the Si and the CR-V. Are they not UNIQUE compared to the other stated models ??? I never stated that they were different than other Hatch models. I had already provided multiple examples that contradicted your blanket statement above... MORE examples weren't necessary.
Originally Posted by nsxmatt
If you're not going to do proper research on a car you're not interested in, don't come to a thread and post info that is incorrect or only specific to things only on your mind at the time. I've been with Honda in fixed operations for over 13 years. I'm quite sure I know the products we produce since I sit and stare at the inventory lists for the civic all day.
Don't turn this on me just because you are embarrassed... and don't question my research ability because you don't know me. My research was spot on... and I posted nothing incorrect. As far as your resume'... here's your cookie. You and your computer screen know everything... I get it. So, where does the "WE" in "we produce" come into play there French man ??? You manufacture cams, pistons, rods and turbochargers ???
Originally Posted by TheShodan
Whoa , whoa whoa!!!! I thought this was a discussion here, fellas? No need to start chest-beating now, right?!?!
My apologies Shodan... no more off-topic posting in this thread from me. I'm done. Besides, I have already worked this rookie up plenty... comparing resume's would REALLY get his panties in a bunch.
Now back to our regular scheduled thread... "Is the new Si worth getting?"
Don't turn this on me just because you are embarrassed... and don't question my research ability because you don't know me. My research was spot on... and I posted nothing incorrect. As far as your resume'... here's your cookie. You and your computer screen know everything... I get it. So, where does the "WE" in "we produce" come into play there French man ??? You manufacture cams, pistons, rods and turbochargers ???
Yes, I just follow a computer screen. I'm a 40yo rookie that has owned close to 100 different models and had more hands on experience with new pre production models than anyone here. Go home kid.
...more hands on experience with new pre production models than anyone here.
You've reminded me about that "Pomegranate" KC2 pre-production they were dragging around North America, and so many of us drove it.
"I love this. Perfect for me. But...the whole infotainment system is a little wacky. And the interface is very, very slow."
"This is pre-production. We'll have that fixed."
Of course...it never got fixed. LOL....
The KC2 for me is great...but if I had a cheap way to do it I'd find a way to keep Krell but replace the rest of the infotainment system, completely. :-)
The car is hideous, but I LOVE the initiative and competition that they are bringing to the table. Looks like the Focus ST guys have something else to look forward to now that it is being discontinued after this year.
I'm in the same boat here. I'm tossing around the idea of buying myself a new Honda, but ONLY because the Sport hatch got me looking at new Hondas at all. Before I go any further:
We bought my wife a Sonic Grey Sport hatch two days ago in the CVT (we need at LEAST one auto car in our fleet of four Hondas) and it's such a fun car to drive.
Now with that out of the way, I too was debating on what new Honda I want. I can actually afford a CTR if I can get it for the true drive-out price of $38,083.00 which is my home state's MSRP+ tax/tag/title/fees etc. I REFUSE to pay anything over MSRP, so if that doesn't materialize, then I'm down to the Si coupe, or Sport Hatch manual and immediately go K-Tuner. I HATE the sedan (no offense to those who have one) so if I go Si, it will be a coupe. I guess I just need to go and drive one to see if it's so much better of a driver than a Sport hatch to make me want the Si.
I understand all the little differences that make the Si what it is over a Sport hatch, but in the end the hatchback just kills the styling and functionality department. My biggest question regarding the Si's styling:
WHY IN THE HELL DO THEY HAVE CHROME TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS?!?!!?
WTF? I guess I'd look into immediately pulling the trims and having them coated, or something. That chrome kills the sporty looks. The Sport hatch's black trims are so nice, and it's little styling touches like that that made us decide on a Sport hatch for my wife along with how amazingly well it drives. I also prefer the Sport's black wheels, and longer wearing all-season tires too. Why don't they have the gunmetal wheels for the Si?!
We got our Sport hatch CVT (the CVT is $800.00 more MSRP than the manual) for $22,700.00 DRIVE-OUT. I imagine if I could work the same sort of discount I'd get an Si for only $1,000-$2,000 more than the Sport manual. I totally understand that the Si has the LSD, more boost, better seats, stereo, brakes, and suspension - I still need to get past the non-hatch styling, and I've NEVER owned a single car with a trunk of any kind. When you look at the features you get with the Si the price difference seems like a no brainer, but in the end for me you cannot match the functionality of the hatchback.
...at least we already have a Sport hatch to serve as the more functional fun car already?
Re: Is the new Si worth getting?
. That's how she looks from the factory / showroom.<br /><br />The car arrived this morning by my house. Got here a day early!
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