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Old Jan 29, 2017 | 08:06 AM
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Not sure it takes that much coaxing. Only barely static me thinks.
Agreed. There is a lot of potential energy stored there. A mere nudge could be enough to upset equilibrium. Just like on a hot humid day, just need a slight bump to generate deep/severe convection.

Shud contact her and ask if we can do a thesis study on her zipper's stored potential energy. Will require many, many zippings and unzippings but high likelihood we could advance science many generations.
Old Jan 29, 2017 | 08:39 AM
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mad lads ITT
Old Jan 29, 2017 | 10:36 AM
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He didn't hit you, he rubbed you. Rubbing's racing...

Well seems like Gordon got himself a new watch
Old Jan 29, 2017 | 02:41 PM
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Nice Quali Rolex 24hr
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 06:50 AM
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Analysis: Teams split as F1 2017 braking forces go up by 25 percent

The increase in brake force is not something you would automatically expect from the way in which F1 cars are getting quicker this year.

For it sounds logical to suggest that a car that goes slower in a straightline and takes corners quicker would actually need less braking – not more. It would surely only make sense for braking force to go up if the cars were faster on the straights and slower in the corners; so needed to scrub off more speed.

But car dynamics can be quite complicated, and it is the increase in grip this year – through both wider tyres and downforce – that is key here. For it means drivers will be able to brake harder and later.

There could be further knock-on consequences too from the faster cars – because now with some corners flat-out, drivers will be arriving at subsequent turns much faster than they were before. Piccoli explains: "We have seen on the simulation that some corners where cars were slowing down a bit – like in a sequence where you had a first turn and then a second one (such as Turns 2/3 at Silverstone) – the car used to slow down in the first corner so have reduced speed when it entered the second one.

"Certainly some braking distances will be shorter, but we still have to understand if the braking is comparable to before," he said. "If you arrive at a corner having not slowed down the car for an earlier turn, then the second one is becoming heavier. So the speed will be a lot higher than before, and in the end the braking distance could be a lot higher and the power going on the brakes will be higher.
For 2017, despite the predicted increase in forces, some teams have elected not to make the jump up to 32mm – feeling that the extra 150 grammes of weight that comes with the larger disc is not worth it. It was interesting that towards the end of last year, Mercedes ran a lot of brake experiments in free practice sessions with a view to 2017 design.

Piccoli explains: "Right now, we have teams that have decided to go ahead with the 28mm disc, and teams that decided to move to the 32mm at the rear. It is certainly related to the brakes and braking performance, but that is not the only reason.

"In the past years, brakes have also been used to control the temperature of the tyres, so I think these two choices lead also a different way of controlling the temperature on the rear. We will see. "It is now a choice that has been done in terms of caliper design. Anyone that decided to go to the 32mm can move down to the 28mm if needed, you can always run a thinner disc. But it will be more difficult for whoever decided to stay on a 28mm to move to a 32mm without changing the caliper."
Old Jan 30, 2017 | 07:01 AM
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Interesting stuff from Mr. GP2 Engine

Alonso: Aero, not engine, the "big question mark" for McLaren

Though McLaren's performance has been largely determined in recent years by Honda's struggle to get on terms with rival engine manufacturers, Alonso believes it will be how well his team masters the new aerodynamics that decides 2017 form rather than power output.

"Let's say that Mercedes, the top power, will be difficult to reach, we know that - not for us, but for everyone," Alonso said. "But I think we can be close enough that we can fight. "I'm 100 percent confident we will reach the power that we want to reach, on aerodynamics I think it is more of a question mark."
"The rules change which will mix things a little bit. There is the progress that Honda made this year which I think is very positive and gives me confidence for next year as well.

"I'm really looking forward to Australia in March. Last year it was 'OK, hopefully in Australia everything will change', but there are so many things that had to change that you have hope, but it's a big hope.
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so honda admits they can't match merc engine this year.
ALO already talking about 2018
red bull admitted they won't have the power to win races til mid season.
ferrari has no solid leadership but might throw down a winning package out of the randomness, but it's a long shot.

sounds like merc will take the first half of the season before RB comes on song, ferrari is a wild card, and everyone else is just filler.
Old Jan 30, 2017 | 08:19 AM
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so honda admits they can't match merc engine this year.
ALO already talking about 2018
red bull admitted they won't have the power to win races til mid season.
ferrari has no solid leadership but might throw down a winning package out of the randomness, but it's a long shot.

sounds like merc will take the first half of the season before RB comes on song, ferrari is a wild card, and everyone else is just filler.
I think ALO is sounding more optimistic for 2017 than I would have expected. I think Merc will still have the advantage but I don't think it's going to be as much as it was last year. With Renault and Honda having free reign I think the PUs will end up much closer. Plus there is always the possibility for a team other than Merc to have found that elusive loop hole.
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http://www.dynamic-flow.co.uk/upload...king_study.pdf

If TL/DR this is a summary (tho still longish)...

Initially there was zero balance shift at eight and four car lengths separation, which does indeed give ground for optimism that cars could run closer. This minimal balance shift at these separations, combined with just a modest initial decline in total downforce, and the increased mechanical grip of the 2017 cars, should make things easier for the following driver as he first starts to close on the car in front. However, the subsequent forwards balance shift at closer separations is the complete opposite of what we have become used to and is an intriguing and – if it translates to reality on track – a slightly worrying response for the closer separations.

The plot lines in Figure 8 showing the front and rear downforce changes with car separation confirm the forwards balance shift, with front and rear downforce declining similarly and modestly from eight to four car lengths separations, but at closer separations both ends declined further, but rear downforce declined much more. Translating the relative data in the graph to absolute numbers, what we saw on our model was the balance figure change to about 50 per cent front at two cars’ separation, 55 percent front at one car’s separation and about 61 per cent front at half a car’s separation, compared to the 45 per cent front figure on our model in isolation and at eight and four car lengths’ separation.

If this were to transfer out on to the track, what we could see in 2017 when cars try to run close together in line astern through ‘aero speed’ corners is that the following car might initially be able to get closer more comfortably than in previous configurations but then, as it closed more, become prone to aerodynamic oversteer. This may simply manifest itself as just that, oversteer. But could it be that drivers will risk spinning off if they get too close to the car in front?
Old Jan 30, 2017 | 12:25 PM
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although it might simply change the reason for the fact that the underlying problem, at least in part, remains!
sounds like the turbulence-induced oversteer will separate the wheat from the chaff though
Old Jan 30, 2017 | 01:14 PM
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Please use natives sizes when posting. Too small.

unrelated: watching the 2013 season on the ustream, and I forgot McLaren sucked then too. 4 years in a row of letting people down.
Didn't realize it rotated it It automatically resized to page width but... yeah.

Rolex 24 was awesome. Highly recommended.
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Underbody tunnels would probably help overtaking since the floor would provide the majority of the downforce instead of the wings.
Old Jan 30, 2017 | 01:58 PM
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Anyone interested in my 2014 Bottas wheel? It is just sitting here and I'll probably never make the table I was planning on. If anyone in this thread wants I'll sell it for $350 shipped. if not, I'm going to inflate the price and post elsewhere.

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pretty good deal for a future WDC rim
Old Jan 30, 2017 | 02:45 PM
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Good Point, Maybe I'll hold on to it if none of you guys want it.

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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 03:13 PM
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Wait to see how 2017 pans out for the Valterri Bottas.
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Originally Posted by falcongsr
sounds like the turbulence-induced oversteer understeer will separate the wheat from the chaff though
FTFY


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Didn't realize it rotated it It automatically resized to page width but... yeah.

Rolex 24 was awesome. Highly recommended.
You're welcome. I know you needed my validation before pulling the trigger. Glad I could be there for you. If only you would be there for your tdi.



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Anyone interested in my 2014 Bottas wheel? It is just sitting here and I'll probably never make the table I was planning on. If anyone in this thread wants I'll sell it for $350 shipped. if not, I'm going to inflate the price and post elsewhere.

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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 05:59 PM
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You're welcome. I know you needed my validation before pulling the trigger. Glad I could be there for you.
It helped.

I would prefer the 24 to any F1 race I've attended. Don't tell xtrac.
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If only you would be there for your tdi.
Jack Baruth just liked my photo. That's all the validation I need.
Old Jan 30, 2017 | 06:28 PM
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I really really really want that Bottas wheel...
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do it
Old Jan 30, 2017 | 07:38 PM
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FTFY
did you read the article? see figures 9 and 10.
Old Jan 31, 2017 | 12:26 AM
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Underbody tunnels would probably help overtaking since the floor would provide the majority of the downforce instead of the wings.
The article infers otherwise (at least from their modeled 2017 cars). To simplify, their study found the air being pulled from the floor attaches to the rear wing and helps the first car maintain a 45F/65R downforce distribution. As the following car gets closer the air coming from the wing/floor and around the rear wing of the first car has less energy and disrupts the rear wing which not only weakens its downforce but also disrupts the floor's flow and it's downforce. This is why the downforce balance shifts forward as the car gets closer, inducing oversteer. It seems the new front wings are less prone to losing efficiency when following a car closely.

I wonder if a beam wing would help prevent the floor flow from detaching for the rear wing.

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Mrs. Hungry vetoed my trip to rolex 24 cause she much rather the Chili Cookoff Country Music Festival. So instead of a cold, excited and freezing rain with race cars. I got cold, terrible, and freezing rain with a ton of drunk red necks
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Mrs. Hungry vetoed my trip to rolex 24 cause she much rather the Chili Cookoff Country Music Festival. So instead of a cold, excited and freezing rain with race cars. I got cold, terrible, and freezing rain with a ton of drunk red necks
I thought the first NASCAR race was Feb 26?
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I'm watching Germany 2014 and the cars seem so slow....



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