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Old Jan 12, 2017 | 05:34 AM
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apparently a lot fewer people than 10 years ago based on ratings and attendance
Old Jan 12, 2017 | 05:35 AM
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I can't get down w/NASCAR. Who has 5 hours to waste on a Sunday for that stuff?
Not Sweet Brown!

Old Jan 12, 2017 | 05:39 AM
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apparently a lot fewer people than 10 years ago based on ratings and attendance
The races were shorter time wise 10 years ago. All the phantom cautions and ensuing wrecks due to bunched up fields.

Wood be better off doing 2 sprint type races 150-200 miles each 1 Sat and 1 Sun. Use qualifying for Sat race and invert the finishing order for Sun.
Old Jan 12, 2017 | 05:51 AM
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Anyone who spends 4 hours to watch the 10 minutes of action a football game provides?
F1 broadcast ain't much better lately. You watch half an hour to an hour of BS just to watch the start and then the race is over. Unless the Mercs take each other out.
Old Jan 12, 2017 | 06:28 AM
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Formula 1 teams will sandbag in 2017 winter testing, says Pirelli - F1 - Autosport

Few interesting bits:

He doubts the season-opening Australian Grand Prix will show true form "as it throws up some strange results".

"It'll be more when we get to China and Bahrain before we see the true performance of the cars," Hembery said.

The 2017 tyres will have very low degradation, with Hembery expecting the rubber to have 25% more grip and there to be "fewer tyre changes" during races.

"The problem we have got is that we have been testing with cars that are five seconds slower than what we're actually going to see in Barcelona," he said.

"From a compounding aspect, it is a bit of a challenge for us because it's a very small window we're working with."If the numbers aren't what we have been told they are going to be, then we might have been a bit too conservative."

We're working on ongoing development [of wet tyres] during the season, which is something we're allowed to do this season as before we weren't allowed to test," he said.

"In the last three years, I think we had three days of testing.

"Now we have up to 25 car days in a season, so we have a programme to change the wet tyres during the season.

"We want to improve the warm-up characteristics.
Old Jan 12, 2017 | 06:52 AM
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F1, Formule 1 - Infos - Haas F1 avec Acura (Honda) en 2018 ? | Nextgen-Auto.com

The Haas F1 team could become 100% American next year, in 2018, thanks to the arrival of an Acura engine, according to the latest rumors.

It would in fact be the Honda engine rebadged Acura, the luxury brand of the Japanese manufacturer in the United States.

Thanks to this subtlety, Haas could communicate on a 100% American project in its market. This association would have the support of Liberty Media, which seeks to advance the Formula 1 audience in the country of Uncle Sam.

It remains to be seen if Haas could still benefit from a technical partnership with McLaren, from the level of the one she has today with Ferrari.

As a result Sauber could keep the Ferrari engine or, more likely, turn to Mercedes if the Manor team fails to be rescued.
Old Jan 12, 2017 | 06:56 AM
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So it's a lose-lose for Haas and Honda/Acura.
Old Jan 12, 2017 | 06:59 AM
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Speaking of NASCAR and championships. I was told these aren't replicas. Not sure why Gordon would keep that at his Chevy dealership.
Because if they were stolen, A- they would be about $100/ea to replace (look cheap AF), and B- What are you going to do with an original trophy like that? Put it in your closet so no juan finds out you stole it? Oh and I guess C- who cares?
Old Jan 12, 2017 | 07:03 AM
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Because if they were stolen, A- they would be about $100/ea to replace (look cheap AF), and B- What are you going to do with an original trophy like that? Put it in your closet so no juan finds out you stole it? Oh and I guess C- who cares?
What I was getting at was wouldn't you think he'd want to have the originals at his house in his trophy room. Then again maybe he don't care about trophies.

I DGAF about his trophies but they have to mean something to him, right?
Old Jan 12, 2017 | 07:05 AM
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So it's a lose-lose for Haas and Honda/Acura.
Wonder if that means the Haas will have more luxury than the McHonda...

GRO could probably use the lane keeping assist
Old Jan 12, 2017 | 07:08 AM
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What I was getting at was wouldn't you think he'd want to have the originals at his house in his trophy room. Then again maybe he don't care about trophies.

I DGAF about his trophies but they have to mean something to him, right?
Those Cup trophies look like little league trophies. They're find where they are.

HAAS ACURA?! SIGN ME UP.
Old Jan 12, 2017 | 07:14 AM
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Just seems like a big step backwards on race results just for a crap sponsorship and a claim of being the only "100%" Murica team on the field.
Old Jan 12, 2017 | 07:15 AM
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Those Cup trophies look like little league trophies. They're find where they are.

HAAS ACURA?! SIGN ME UP.
I agree totally I would just think he might be attached to them given that it was a season's worth of hard work. Especially the first 1.

Maybe he had them at his house and decided to ditch them after get tired of looking at them for years. Seems odd to stick them at a dealership in Wilmington, NC doe
Old Jan 12, 2017 | 07:16 AM
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Just seems like a big step backwards on race results just for a crap sponsorship and a claim of being the only "100%" Murica team on the field.
Well I think we need to see what the 2017 Honda PU does before saying it would be a big step back from the Ferrari PU
Old Jan 12, 2017 | 07:23 AM
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HAAS had to switch before Trump put tarriffs on their italian engines doe.
Old Jan 12, 2017 | 07:23 AM
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They are VERY far behind the top two teams and barely ahead of Renault. Not to mention the car itself is far behind Ferrari and Merc, I would argue even behind Mac. So to drop an engine that is also way behind on power is a big gamble.
Old Jan 12, 2017 | 07:25 AM
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Toyota finished 3rd in Spain 05. Not bad. I really want to get better educated on older F1 seasons.
Old Jan 12, 2017 | 07:31 AM
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They are VERY far behind the top two teams and barely ahead of Renault. Not to mention the car itself is far behind Ferrari and Merc, I would argue even behind Mac. So to drop an engine that is also way behind on power is a big gamble.
I don't think the difference between the engines is quite as vast as everyone thinks. Honda isn't 100 hp down on Merc as some of the rumors suggest. Merc has better driveability and moar power over a lap. Both things that Honda will be able to address with larger turbo in different location.
Old Jan 12, 2017 | 07:33 AM
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Eh. I don't think the chassis will be good enough to take advantage of a better PU anyway. That Haas/Dallara thing looked butt after the first few races.
Nah. It was just a hyper-sensitive car to setup. They had wild swings of performance throughout the year, including late in the year. But they weren't rewarded (with points) nearly as much later in the year, but still raced solidly against faster/better competition as the year went on (such is development in F1). The Haas car was good when it was good, and real bad when it was bad. That to me is indemic of a new team running a car not entirely of their own, or not resourced enough to understand why the car was behaving the way it was. Honda F1 ran into that same problem in 03-05 per Nick Fry.
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I don't think the difference between the engines is quite as vast as everyone thinks. Honda isn't 100 hp down on Merc as some of the rumors suggest. Merc has better driveability and moar power over a lap. Both things that Honda will be able to address with larger turbo in different location.
ICE's have converged, but the Merc ERS is still the class of the field by a long shot. That seems to be the general consensus per the internet people who are at the races for a living.
Old Jan 12, 2017 | 07:39 AM
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ICE's have converged, but the Merc ERS is still the class of the field by a long shot. That seems to be the general consensus per the internet people who are at the races for a living.
Yeah, Merc have both the hardware/software sides of the ERS mastered. I think McLaren will be able to help Honda with software portion but the fatal flaw of the Honda has always been poor recovery because their compressor is just too small (also lead to moar fuel saving than others). I just wonder if Honda won't have another season were early on they have some big failures associated with the split compressor. They solved it with the last PU but the end bits will now be farther apart so I'm not sure if that will lead to more failures as they learn. Perhaps not but I guess we'll see.

Honda also not use pre chamber type of ignition which could help them with efficiency when/if they add it.
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Toyota finished 3rd in Spain 05. Not bad. I really want to get better educated on older F1 seasons.
'05 had the funky tire rules requiring the same set of tires for the whole race - which sucked if you flat spotted them and had to drive with a terminal vibration...right Kimi?



Bridgestone completely got it wrong - or rather Michillen got it very right, with one exception...



and of course, Schumacher's reign came to an end...


2006 was mo' better, but then...



Ferrari ultimately forced Schumacher into retirement. The bastards... and my heart was broken forever.

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We shall see. I'm rooting for both Honda and Haas, but it's not looking to good for either of them this season. Me thinks everyone will pretty much be holding station and have a repeat of last year.
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Why was he forced?
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Originally Posted by blue8g
How bad was F1 in 2004 if BAR-Honda came 2nd in constructor's championship and couldn't figure things out consistently :O
Fry literally said in the interview I'm referencing that they really didn't understand why the car worked so well, it just did. That lack of understanding to build upon let them slide down hill from there and never recovered until Brawn came into the team.



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