The Official Formula 1 2016 Season Thread
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rookie mistake
fascinating to watch the aapl and goog back off self-driving cars https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ake-on-detroit
fascinating to watch the aapl and goog back off self-driving cars https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ake-on-detroit
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2016 Season Thread
rookie mistake
fascinating to watch the aapl and goog back off self-driving cars https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ake-on-detroit
fascinating to watch the aapl and goog back off self-driving cars https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ake-on-detroit
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2016 Season Thread
agree.
The problem with autonomous cars are all the non-autonomous cars around ready to **** **** up. Be a lot easier* if they didn't have to interact with the crazies.
*but still hard.
I'm designing a gear box shaft in my machine design course. Gears are wonky things. And helical gears can suck my *****.
The problem with autonomous cars are all the non-autonomous cars around ready to **** **** up. Be a lot easier* if they didn't have to interact with the crazies.
*but still hard.
I'm designing a gear box shaft in my machine design course. Gears are wonky things. And helical gears can suck my *****.
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2016 Season Thread
Originally Posted by Christopher Hart, Chairman of the NTSB
The ideal scenario that I talked about, saving the tens of thousands of lives a year, assumes complete automation with no human engagement whatsoever. I'm not confident that we will ever reach that point. I don’t see the ideal of complete automation coming anytime soon.
Some people just like to drive. Some people don't trust the automation so they're going to want to drive. [And] there’s no software designer in the world that's ever going to be smart enough to anticipate all the potential circumstances this software is going to encounter. The dog that runs out into the street, the person who runs up the street, the bicyclist, the policeman or the construction worker. Or the bridge collapses in a flood. There is no way that you're going to be able to design a system that can handle it.
The challenge is when you have not-so-complete automation, with still significant human engagement—that's when the complacency becomes an issue. That's when lack of skills becomes the issue. So our challenge is: how do we handle what is probably going to be a long-term scenario of still some human engagement in this largely automated system?
Some people just like to drive. Some people don't trust the automation so they're going to want to drive. [And] there’s no software designer in the world that's ever going to be smart enough to anticipate all the potential circumstances this software is going to encounter. The dog that runs out into the street, the person who runs up the street, the bicyclist, the policeman or the construction worker. Or the bridge collapses in a flood. There is no way that you're going to be able to design a system that can handle it.
The challenge is when you have not-so-complete automation, with still significant human engagement—that's when the complacency becomes an issue. That's when lack of skills becomes the issue. So our challenge is: how do we handle what is probably going to be a long-term scenario of still some human engagement in this largely automated system?
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i personally just want a sidestick in the armrest like Airbus so i have room for my tablet/laptop/coffee in front of me. then the computer can tell me when to take over right before we go over the cliff / swerve to avoid a semi and kill 15 nuns on the sidewalk.
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Question?
Autonomous car has to decide between hitting/killing a person or swerving to miss the person but hitting something and killing the passenger (and itself). What does it do?
Put me in the category of getting to the destination is as much fun if not more fun than the destination. So I don't want to give up driving duties (most of the time). I will admit the ability to do so from time to time would be nice doe.
Autonomous car has to decide between hitting/killing a person or swerving to miss the person but hitting something and killing the passenger (and itself). What does it do?
Put me in the category of getting to the destination is as much fun if not more fun than the destination. So I don't want to give up driving duties (most of the time). I will admit the ability to do so from time to time would be nice doe.
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2016 Season Thread
Originally Posted by Christopher Hart, Chairman of the NTSB
I can give you an example I've seen mentioned in several places. My automated car is confronted by an 80,000 pound truck in my lane. Now the car has to decide whether to run into this truck and kill me, the driver, or to go up on the sidewalk and kill 15 pedestrians. That would [have to] be put into the system. Protect occupants or protect other people? That to me is going to take a federal government response to address. Those kinds of ethical choices will be inevitable.
In addition to just ethical choices—what if the system fails? Is the system going to fail in a way that minimizes [harm] to the public, other cars, bicyclists? The federal government is going to be involved.
In addition to just ethical choices—what if the system fails? Is the system going to fail in a way that minimizes [harm] to the public, other cars, bicyclists? The federal government is going to be involved.
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2016 Season Thread
Driverless cars: Who gets protected? | MIT News
Also - I side with the Aussies on this one. Lemme drive when I feel like it, and get me home when I are drunk:
Aussies want driverless cars for when they're tired, bored or drunk
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What I meant by my question wasn't what is the solution. What I meant was do you essentially want a robot deciding that you have lived long enough, say it knows you are 30 years old, and it decides to kill you instead of someone it judges to be younger. Suppose you have a wife who is pregnant or a wife and kids that depend on you. Robot won't take that into consideration. I'm not looking for solutions I'm just juandering out loud.
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I like the use when I want but let me drive when I want option. To pull that off roads would probably need to be classified as 1 or the other. Driver or autodrive.
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2016 Season Thread
rookie mistake
fascinating to watch the aapl and goog back off self-driving cars https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ake-on-detroit
fascinating to watch the aapl and goog back off self-driving cars https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ake-on-detroit
Part of that is that I haven't even heard of someone going to work for Apple or Google and the automotive engineering world isn't that big. Tesla has a decent base of people and I know a handful of people that have gone to work for them over the past couple years.
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after seeing self-driving cars on the road for years here, i'd have to say it was more than a passing interest. i never knowingly saw an apple test vehicle, but i did see several different vehicles that were unmarked that were not google's.
as far as hiring you're right there wasn't much crossover from automotive engineering to the google X division / appl car R&D projects. not sure that is a good indicator since they are trying to develop tech that doesn't exist yet
as far as hiring you're right there wasn't much crossover from automotive engineering to the google X division / appl car R&D projects. not sure that is a good indicator since they are trying to develop tech that doesn't exist yet
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makes sense to me. The knowledge base to build a car (mechanics) is pretty deep. The Faraday Future guys are doing just that; bringing in all sort of people from within the industry to get their car done/ready. Huge hiring spree for that effort (a friend of mine worked for BMW USA in Oxnard, CA and recently made the switch).
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2016 Season Thread
Question?
Autonomous car has to decide between hitting/killing a person or swerving to miss the person but hitting something and killing the passenger (and itself). What does it do?
Put me in the category of getting to the destination is as much fun if not more fun than the destination. So I don't want to give up driving duties (most of the time). I will admit the ability to do so from time to time would be nice doe.
Autonomous car has to decide between hitting/killing a person or swerving to miss the person but hitting something and killing the passenger (and itself). What does it do?
Put me in the category of getting to the destination is as much fun if not more fun than the destination. So I don't want to give up driving duties (most of the time). I will admit the ability to do so from time to time would be nice doe.
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