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Old Oct 11, 2016 | 11:06 AM
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He'll need someone to pay him like Honda did/is doing for Ferdy. The Brits are tightwads when it comes to driver monies.
Old Oct 11, 2016 | 12:06 PM
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That would suck if Fred retires and HAM takes his place when the McHonda becomes the top car.
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Button's coming back doe
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Ha! So is hakkinen
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Japanese don't want chocolate senna. Not enough samurai.
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Belgian waffle world champion of the future anyway...gonna root for him once Alonso retires
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looks like I'm moving. Seller accepted and agreed to pay half our closing costs.

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Old Oct 11, 2016 | 01:21 PM
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Going back to RB and rake for a minute. RB's philosophy has always been extreme rake. The RB5 had it in 2009 and some of the pics I have found look like they had it with RB2-4. Not sure about RB1, was hard to find good pics that weren't photo shoots or display cars.

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The most recent exhaust blown diffuser era really brought rake to the forefront.
Old Oct 11, 2016 | 01:59 PM
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Japanese don't want chocolate senna. Not enough samurai.
You think they prefer Belgian waffles over blessed chocolate?
Old Oct 11, 2016 | 02:00 PM
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Oops, I meant #blessed.
Old Oct 11, 2016 | 02:27 PM
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Ros wont even have to push anymore to win the title, so he can run very conservatively and let Ham ham.
He can't take it for granted. He needs 1 3rd place and 3 2nd places if he lets Hamilton win out.

Vettel/Versenna qualify too close to the front to assume he won't have a DNF.
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There's no way he would go there. He could never handle the Italian press harping on him.
And having a teammate that is better than him.
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Going back to RB and rake for a minute. RB's philosophy has always been extreme rake. The RB5 had it in 2009 and some of the pics I have found look like they had it with RB2-4. Not sure about RB1, was hard to find good pics that weren't photo shoots or display cars.

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The most recent exhaust blown diffuser era really brought rake to the forefront.
In Sunday's sky broadcast Adrian Newey said that the positive rake trend started during his time at Williams.
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rake in 1975
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I think that design has more to do with polar moment of inertia doe

Old Oct 11, 2016 | 05:03 PM
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rake in 1975
1960s doe



No wonder it won Spa, dat rake
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I think that design has more to do with polar moment of inertia doe
LOL @ Tim's not so subtle subliminal ATI advert
Old Oct 11, 2016 | 05:22 PM
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LOL @ Tim's not so subtle subliminal ATI advert
Thought he was channeling is inner xtrac1 doe.
Old Oct 11, 2016 | 06:39 PM
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Pirelli World Challenge article. Palmer is also mentioned on page 2 and is similar to Schuey's situation in that Palmer's family is keeping everything private.
http://www.racer.com/more/viewpoints...-ceo-greg-gill

Palmer's family was very protective of their son's condition at the time of the crash, and the media blackout has continued in the months that have followed. Their reluctance to provide information, as was their right, led to complaints and overzealous reporting in some segments of the media that only made the situation worse. Effectively managing the crash site, the emergency response for De La Torre and Palmer, and the communications side of the crash proved to be a tall task.

"We saw some aggressive behavior from some in the media, and I think that because the world we live in now grants us 24/7 access to everything, it's hard for the media to accept when it isn't given full access," Gill said.

"We go on social media and talk about our meals, we talk about our underwear, we talk about our shoes; we have way too much information. Initially, some people, both media and members of our paddock, felt entitled to that same information on the crash. They wanted the gory details and to share misinformation.

"There was no respect for privacy. We had to remind some people, and we had to get personal about it and get up in front of people and said, 'Look, you have sons and daughters. Would you want people speculating about your son or daughter's health? Is that any of your business?'

"It was not their business. That was personal. It was deep. It was something that I really appreciated the paddock response after that, because people began respecting boundaries. And I was really pleased with some people that said, 'I just pulled all my stories down about it; I just didn't think of it that way.' The media were the same way: 'I'm sorry, I handled that wrong.' We don't believe in schooling people; it was about having a level of respect. Our communications team handled the situation with class."
Old Oct 11, 2016 | 07:25 PM
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Pirelli World Challenge article. Palmer is also mentioned on page 2 and is similar to Schuey's situation in that Palmer's family is keeping everything private.
I am holding out hope he has a full recovery but you would think the family would have issued at least some kind of statement saying he was at least getting better. The lack of news for months is not a good sign.
Old Oct 12, 2016 | 04:48 AM
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Pirelli World Challenge article. Palmer is also mentioned on page 2 and is similar to Schuey's situation in that Palmer's family is keeping everything private.
Insights & Analysis - INSIGHT: State of the PWC Union with CEO Greg Gill

Palmer's family was very protective of their son's condition at the time of the crash, and the media blackout has continued in the months that have followed. Their reluctance to provide information, as was their right, led to complaints and overzealous reporting in some segments of the media that only made the situation worse. Effectively managing the crash site, the emergency response for De La Torre and Palmer, and the communications side of the crash proved to be a tall task.

"We saw some aggressive behavior from some in the media, and I think that because the world we live in now grants us 24/7 access to everything, it's hard for the media to accept when it isn't given full access," Gill said.

"We go on social media and talk about our meals, we talk about our underwear, we talk about our shoes; we have way too much information. Initially, some people, both media and members of our paddock, felt entitled to that same information on the crash. They wanted the gory details and to share misinformation.

"There was no respect for privacy. We had to remind some people, and we had to get personal about it and get up in front of people and said, 'Look, you have sons and daughters. Would you want people speculating about your son or daughter's health? Is that any of your business?'

"It was not their business. That was personal. It was deep. It was something that I really appreciated the paddock response after that, because people began respecting boundaries. And I was really pleased with some people that said, 'I just pulled all my stories down about it; I just didn't think of it that way.' The media were the same way: 'I'm sorry, I handled that wrong.' We don't believe in schooling people; it was about having a level of respect. Our communications team handled the situation with class."
Ugh, this article annoys me. People are asking because they care and feel like they have a bond with the driver as a fan/competitor/etc.

It's their right to do whatever they want regarding the release of information but I don't see how asking how he's doing is crossing some line into his private life.
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was anyone from FOM, bernie or chase carey at suzuka?
Old Oct 12, 2016 | 06:42 AM
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Why did McLaren slump in Japan? | F1 News

Sky Sports F1's Mark Hughes examines the reasons behind McLaren-Honda's struggle at their home race...

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Surely the biggest under-achievers of the Japanese GP weekend was the McLaren-Honda team, a particularly unfortunate turn of events upon Honda's very own circuit.

The MP4-31 has been a vast improvement over last year's acutely under-powered machine and in nine of the previous 12 races one or both team cars have made it through to Q3. But at Suzuka they were mired just 15th and 17th quickest, Button failing even to graduate from Q1.

Because Button was so (unexpectedly) far down, it was decided to introduce new engines and associated components into his allocation for the remainder of the season (much as had been done with Alonso in Malaysia), as the grid drop to dead last wasn't so far. Things were little better in the race, Alonso unable to make his usual stellar progress in the opening laps and finishing 16th, while Button - unable on his hard tyres to even make it past the Manors for the first nine laps - was a very quiet 18th.

All of McLaren's 2016 results

Although the Honda power unit is much improved this year, the big gains have been in how long its electrical power boost can be deployed. The internal combustion engine remains well down on power to the standard-setting Mercedes, to the estimated tune of around 60 horsepower. While that shortfall will certainly have cost significant lap time around Suzuka it's a less power-sensitive track than either Monza - where the McLarens were generally knocking on the door of Q3 - or Spa, where Button qualified 10th.

So what was the problem? Suzuka's layout highlighted the fact that the McLaren chassis is not very effective in medium-high speed corners.

"We are very strong under braking and into slow corners," pointed out Button, "but this track's all about medium-high speed and straightline speed - which are a bit trickier for us." Only the hairpin and the chicane of the track's 17 corners could be classified as 'slow' and as such there was very little opportunity for the strong points of the chassis to overcome its weaknesses.

Suzuka's layout had revealed in stark black and white what had been generally disguised at other circuits. Even Silverstone, with its succession of high speed corners, has Vale, the Village loop, Brooklands and Luffield to allow the McLaren to claw back time lost in the fast sections. Barcelona has two hairpins plus turn 10 and the chicane. Ironically, the contours of the Japanese track designed by John Hugenholtz in the 1960s specifically for Honda, could not have been more ill-suited to the Honda-powered car this year.

Although this places doubt about McLaren's earlier claims that it has the third best chassis (after Mercedes and Red Bull), the weakness seems to be a very specific one, related to the aerodynamics around the front wing within a certain speed range. In his one-off race at Bahrain, Stoffel Vandoorne noticed that trying to cure the car's understeer past a certain point of front wing flap angle just induced oversteer instead. There was a tiny - or even non-existent - sweet spot of wing angle between too little front downforce and too much.

At Suzuka a new front wing with an extreme area of slats - it really did appear to be more holes than wing surface - was probably an attempt at making the wing respond less critically to adjustment around this critical flip point between too little and too much downforce as the wing angle is increased. Clearly it was not as effective as the team would have hoped and the car remained understeery - and therefore slow - through the direction change of the Esses all weekend.

The main point is that it appears to be a very specific aero weak point rather than a generic shortfall and therefore probably not something that will necessarily carry into next year's car, especially given the big change to the aero regulations. With Honda on course to introduce two major technical changes - TJI ignition and taking the turbine and compressor out of the vee, allowing a more powerful turbo - for next year, there is still plenty of cause for optimism that the McLaren-Honda partnership will take a big competitive step, despite the blip of Suzuka.
Old Oct 12, 2016 | 06:58 AM
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Well they need to figure out how match or even get ahead of RBR/Ferrari first, then worry about that extra second gap to Mercedes.
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Mac is more likely to be with Ferrari than RBR/Merc imo
Old Oct 12, 2016 | 09:20 AM
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