The Official Formula 1 2016 Season Thread
Going back to RB and rake for a minute. RB's philosophy has always been extreme rake. The RB5 had it in 2009 and some of the pics I have found look like they had it with RB2-4. Not sure about RB1, was hard to find good pics that weren't photo shoots or display cars.
RB5

The most recent exhaust blown diffuser era really brought rake to the forefront.
RB5

The most recent exhaust blown diffuser era really brought rake to the forefront.
Vettel/Versenna qualify too close to the front to assume he won't have a DNF.
Going back to RB and rake for a minute. RB's philosophy has always been extreme rake. The RB5 had it in 2009 and some of the pics I have found look like they had it with RB2-4. Not sure about RB1, was hard to find good pics that weren't photo shoots or display cars.
RB5
The most recent exhaust blown diffuser era really brought rake to the forefront.
RB5
The most recent exhaust blown diffuser era really brought rake to the forefront.
Pirelli World Challenge article. Palmer is also mentioned on page 2 and is similar to Schuey's situation in that Palmer's family is keeping everything private.
http://www.racer.com/more/viewpoints...-ceo-greg-gill
Palmer's family was very protective of their son's condition at the time of the crash, and the media blackout has continued in the months that have followed. Their reluctance to provide information, as was their right, led to complaints and overzealous reporting in some segments of the media that only made the situation worse. Effectively managing the crash site, the emergency response for De La Torre and Palmer, and the communications side of the crash proved to be a tall task.
"We saw some aggressive behavior from some in the media, and I think that because the world we live in now grants us 24/7 access to everything, it's hard for the media to accept when it isn't given full access," Gill said.
"We go on social media and talk about our meals, we talk about our underwear, we talk about our shoes; we have way too much information. Initially, some people, both media and members of our paddock, felt entitled to that same information on the crash. They wanted the gory details and to share misinformation.
"There was no respect for privacy. We had to remind some people, and we had to get personal about it and get up in front of people and said, 'Look, you have sons and daughters. Would you want people speculating about your son or daughter's health? Is that any of your business?'
"It was not their business. That was personal. It was deep. It was something that I really appreciated the paddock response after that, because people began respecting boundaries. And I was really pleased with some people that said, 'I just pulled all my stories down about it; I just didn't think of it that way.' The media were the same way: 'I'm sorry, I handled that wrong.' We don't believe in schooling people; it was about having a level of respect. Our communications team handled the situation with class."
http://www.racer.com/more/viewpoints...-ceo-greg-gill
Palmer's family was very protective of their son's condition at the time of the crash, and the media blackout has continued in the months that have followed. Their reluctance to provide information, as was their right, led to complaints and overzealous reporting in some segments of the media that only made the situation worse. Effectively managing the crash site, the emergency response for De La Torre and Palmer, and the communications side of the crash proved to be a tall task.
"We saw some aggressive behavior from some in the media, and I think that because the world we live in now grants us 24/7 access to everything, it's hard for the media to accept when it isn't given full access," Gill said.
"We go on social media and talk about our meals, we talk about our underwear, we talk about our shoes; we have way too much information. Initially, some people, both media and members of our paddock, felt entitled to that same information on the crash. They wanted the gory details and to share misinformation.
"There was no respect for privacy. We had to remind some people, and we had to get personal about it and get up in front of people and said, 'Look, you have sons and daughters. Would you want people speculating about your son or daughter's health? Is that any of your business?'
"It was not their business. That was personal. It was deep. It was something that I really appreciated the paddock response after that, because people began respecting boundaries. And I was really pleased with some people that said, 'I just pulled all my stories down about it; I just didn't think of it that way.' The media were the same way: 'I'm sorry, I handled that wrong.' We don't believe in schooling people; it was about having a level of respect. Our communications team handled the situation with class."
I am holding out hope he has a full recovery but you would think the family would have issued at least some kind of statement saying he was at least getting better. The lack of news for months is not a good sign.
Pirelli World Challenge article. Palmer is also mentioned on page 2 and is similar to Schuey's situation in that Palmer's family is keeping everything private.
Insights & Analysis - INSIGHT: State of the PWC Union with CEO Greg Gill
Palmer's family was very protective of their son's condition at the time of the crash, and the media blackout has continued in the months that have followed. Their reluctance to provide information, as was their right, led to complaints and overzealous reporting in some segments of the media that only made the situation worse. Effectively managing the crash site, the emergency response for De La Torre and Palmer, and the communications side of the crash proved to be a tall task.
"We saw some aggressive behavior from some in the media, and I think that because the world we live in now grants us 24/7 access to everything, it's hard for the media to accept when it isn't given full access," Gill said.
"We go on social media and talk about our meals, we talk about our underwear, we talk about our shoes; we have way too much information. Initially, some people, both media and members of our paddock, felt entitled to that same information on the crash. They wanted the gory details and to share misinformation.
"There was no respect for privacy. We had to remind some people, and we had to get personal about it and get up in front of people and said, 'Look, you have sons and daughters. Would you want people speculating about your son or daughter's health? Is that any of your business?'
"It was not their business. That was personal. It was deep. It was something that I really appreciated the paddock response after that, because people began respecting boundaries. And I was really pleased with some people that said, 'I just pulled all my stories down about it; I just didn't think of it that way.' The media were the same way: 'I'm sorry, I handled that wrong.' We don't believe in schooling people; it was about having a level of respect. Our communications team handled the situation with class."
Insights & Analysis - INSIGHT: State of the PWC Union with CEO Greg Gill
Palmer's family was very protective of their son's condition at the time of the crash, and the media blackout has continued in the months that have followed. Their reluctance to provide information, as was their right, led to complaints and overzealous reporting in some segments of the media that only made the situation worse. Effectively managing the crash site, the emergency response for De La Torre and Palmer, and the communications side of the crash proved to be a tall task.
"We saw some aggressive behavior from some in the media, and I think that because the world we live in now grants us 24/7 access to everything, it's hard for the media to accept when it isn't given full access," Gill said.
"We go on social media and talk about our meals, we talk about our underwear, we talk about our shoes; we have way too much information. Initially, some people, both media and members of our paddock, felt entitled to that same information on the crash. They wanted the gory details and to share misinformation.
"There was no respect for privacy. We had to remind some people, and we had to get personal about it and get up in front of people and said, 'Look, you have sons and daughters. Would you want people speculating about your son or daughter's health? Is that any of your business?'
"It was not their business. That was personal. It was deep. It was something that I really appreciated the paddock response after that, because people began respecting boundaries. And I was really pleased with some people that said, 'I just pulled all my stories down about it; I just didn't think of it that way.' The media were the same way: 'I'm sorry, I handled that wrong.' We don't believe in schooling people; it was about having a level of respect. Our communications team handled the situation with class."
It's their right to do whatever they want regarding the release of information but I don't see how asking how he's doing is crossing some line into his private life.
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Why did McLaren slump in Japan? | F1 News
Sky Sports F1's Mark Hughes examines the reasons behind McLaren-Honda's struggle at their home race...
Last Updated: 12/10/16 9:07am
Surely the biggest under-achievers of the Japanese GP weekend was the McLaren-Honda team, a particularly unfortunate turn of events upon Honda's very own circuit.
The MP4-31 has been a vast improvement over last year's acutely under-powered machine and in nine of the previous 12 races one or both team cars have made it through to Q3. But at Suzuka they were mired just 15th and 17th quickest, Button failing even to graduate from Q1.
Because Button was so (unexpectedly) far down, it was decided to introduce new engines and associated components into his allocation for the remainder of the season (much as had been done with Alonso in Malaysia), as the grid drop to dead last wasn't so far. Things were little better in the race, Alonso unable to make his usual stellar progress in the opening laps and finishing 16th, while Button - unable on his hard tyres to even make it past the Manors for the first nine laps - was a very quiet 18th.
All of McLaren's 2016 results
Although the Honda power unit is much improved this year, the big gains have been in how long its electrical power boost can be deployed. The internal combustion engine remains well down on power to the standard-setting Mercedes, to the estimated tune of around 60 horsepower. While that shortfall will certainly have cost significant lap time around Suzuka it's a less power-sensitive track than either Monza - where the McLarens were generally knocking on the door of Q3 - or Spa, where Button qualified 10th.
So what was the problem? Suzuka's layout highlighted the fact that the McLaren chassis is not very effective in medium-high speed corners.
"We are very strong under braking and into slow corners," pointed out Button, "but this track's all about medium-high speed and straightline speed - which are a bit trickier for us." Only the hairpin and the chicane of the track's 17 corners could be classified as 'slow' and as such there was very little opportunity for the strong points of the chassis to overcome its weaknesses.
Suzuka's layout had revealed in stark black and white what had been generally disguised at other circuits. Even Silverstone, with its succession of high speed corners, has Vale, the Village loop, Brooklands and Luffield to allow the McLaren to claw back time lost in the fast sections. Barcelona has two hairpins plus turn 10 and the chicane. Ironically, the contours of the Japanese track designed by John Hugenholtz in the 1960s specifically for Honda, could not have been more ill-suited to the Honda-powered car this year.
Although this places doubt about McLaren's earlier claims that it has the third best chassis (after Mercedes and Red Bull), the weakness seems to be a very specific one, related to the aerodynamics around the front wing within a certain speed range. In his one-off race at Bahrain, Stoffel Vandoorne noticed that trying to cure the car's understeer past a certain point of front wing flap angle just induced oversteer instead. There was a tiny - or even non-existent - sweet spot of wing angle between too little front downforce and too much.
At Suzuka a new front wing with an extreme area of slats - it really did appear to be more holes than wing surface - was probably an attempt at making the wing respond less critically to adjustment around this critical flip point between too little and too much downforce as the wing angle is increased. Clearly it was not as effective as the team would have hoped and the car remained understeery - and therefore slow - through the direction change of the Esses all weekend.
The main point is that it appears to be a very specific aero weak point rather than a generic shortfall and therefore probably not something that will necessarily carry into next year's car, especially given the big change to the aero regulations. With Honda on course to introduce two major technical changes - TJI ignition and taking the turbine and compressor out of the vee, allowing a more powerful turbo - for next year, there is still plenty of cause for optimism that the McLaren-Honda partnership will take a big competitive step, despite the blip of Suzuka.
Last Updated: 12/10/16 9:07am
Surely the biggest under-achievers of the Japanese GP weekend was the McLaren-Honda team, a particularly unfortunate turn of events upon Honda's very own circuit.
The MP4-31 has been a vast improvement over last year's acutely under-powered machine and in nine of the previous 12 races one or both team cars have made it through to Q3. But at Suzuka they were mired just 15th and 17th quickest, Button failing even to graduate from Q1.
Because Button was so (unexpectedly) far down, it was decided to introduce new engines and associated components into his allocation for the remainder of the season (much as had been done with Alonso in Malaysia), as the grid drop to dead last wasn't so far. Things were little better in the race, Alonso unable to make his usual stellar progress in the opening laps and finishing 16th, while Button - unable on his hard tyres to even make it past the Manors for the first nine laps - was a very quiet 18th.
All of McLaren's 2016 results
Although the Honda power unit is much improved this year, the big gains have been in how long its electrical power boost can be deployed. The internal combustion engine remains well down on power to the standard-setting Mercedes, to the estimated tune of around 60 horsepower. While that shortfall will certainly have cost significant lap time around Suzuka it's a less power-sensitive track than either Monza - where the McLarens were generally knocking on the door of Q3 - or Spa, where Button qualified 10th.
So what was the problem? Suzuka's layout highlighted the fact that the McLaren chassis is not very effective in medium-high speed corners.
"We are very strong under braking and into slow corners," pointed out Button, "but this track's all about medium-high speed and straightline speed - which are a bit trickier for us." Only the hairpin and the chicane of the track's 17 corners could be classified as 'slow' and as such there was very little opportunity for the strong points of the chassis to overcome its weaknesses.
Suzuka's layout had revealed in stark black and white what had been generally disguised at other circuits. Even Silverstone, with its succession of high speed corners, has Vale, the Village loop, Brooklands and Luffield to allow the McLaren to claw back time lost in the fast sections. Barcelona has two hairpins plus turn 10 and the chicane. Ironically, the contours of the Japanese track designed by John Hugenholtz in the 1960s specifically for Honda, could not have been more ill-suited to the Honda-powered car this year.
Although this places doubt about McLaren's earlier claims that it has the third best chassis (after Mercedes and Red Bull), the weakness seems to be a very specific one, related to the aerodynamics around the front wing within a certain speed range. In his one-off race at Bahrain, Stoffel Vandoorne noticed that trying to cure the car's understeer past a certain point of front wing flap angle just induced oversteer instead. There was a tiny - or even non-existent - sweet spot of wing angle between too little front downforce and too much.
At Suzuka a new front wing with an extreme area of slats - it really did appear to be more holes than wing surface - was probably an attempt at making the wing respond less critically to adjustment around this critical flip point between too little and too much downforce as the wing angle is increased. Clearly it was not as effective as the team would have hoped and the car remained understeery - and therefore slow - through the direction change of the Esses all weekend.
The main point is that it appears to be a very specific aero weak point rather than a generic shortfall and therefore probably not something that will necessarily carry into next year's car, especially given the big change to the aero regulations. With Honda on course to introduce two major technical changes - TJI ignition and taking the turbine and compressor out of the vee, allowing a more powerful turbo - for next year, there is still plenty of cause for optimism that the McLaren-Honda partnership will take a big competitive step, despite the blip of Suzuka.
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Well they need to figure out how match or even get ahead of RBR/Ferrari first, then worry about that extra second gap to Mercedes.






