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Old Oct 11, 2016 | 12:21 AM
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Now I'm far from a HAM supporter but how the F is this really offensive to fans and the media. The filters are amusing but what I found fascinating was seeing what the driver's view looks like during the press conferences.

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Really good read for everyone, even if you're not a McLaren fan
http://www.mobil1thegrid.com/article...progress-2016/

For the chassis, a key aerodynamic balance shift has been the aim. To achieve this, several specific areas have been important to bring this about. As is the case with every F1 team, McLaren wants a car that has lots of downforce for very little drag – otherwise known as aero efficiency. This allows the car to be fast in the corners and not be slowed by drag on the straights.

To do this, the rear of the car has to work better. This allows a smaller rear wing to be run, which reduces the drag. There are two ways to achieve this and McLaren has, admittedly, tackled both. Firstly, raising the rear of the car – This is a counter intuitive process, as most racers on road and track want a low rear end. However, in F1 this means a more powerful underfloor, creating downforce from the low pressure under the car, in turn creating very little drag in the process.

The second part of this process is the airflow hitting the rear end. This is wholly influenced by the front end of the car – largely the front wing, front brake ducts and turning vanes. These increasingly complex surfaces aren’t used to make more grip at the front of the car, but to shape the airflow heading towards the rear. Again, making the rear end work better reduces the need for a larger rear wing and that, in itself, further reduces drag.
I'm sure you engineerds knew this, but pretty interesting. The commentators have noted how much rake the Red Bull runs in comparison to the other cars, and of course more rake = more downforce.



Honda’s challenge has been to match its rivals for power and fuel efficiencies. Starting from a long way back in 2015, the Honda PU is still behind on peak power, but not as far as it might appear. A key comment during a technical director press conference suggested the power unit’s contribution to lap time varies only by 0.3 seconds.

In F1 terms, this equates to 30hp. This isn’t a huge deficit, nor one which cannot be bridged with a single update.Nevertheless, there have been races this season where the McLaren-Honda still appears to lack far more than a few tenths of horsepower. This is where Honda are about to catch up. In a race, the Honda engine currently uses too much fuel relative to its rivals, who have applied highly advanced lean burn combustion solutions, which allows the limited fuel to produce maximum horsepower throughout the race.With a conventional combustion set up, the Honda cannot match this from good engineering alone, so a step change is required in the combustion design.

For Ferrari and Mercedes, this is a process known as pre-chamber ignition, whereby a small chamber is formed inside the cylinder head between the spark plug and the main combustion chamber. This gets filled with a rich fuel mixture. The main combustion chamber gets filled with only a very weak fuel air mix, which would be hard to ignite with a conventional spark plug.

When the spark plug ignites the fuel in the pre-chamber, the resulting flame vents through small holes into the main combustion chamber, which then burns the weak fuel mix easily. This creates a long power stroke, despite the largely weak fuel mix.Such technology requires a very different cylinder head architecture, along with special fuel injectors, spark plugs and – critically – special fuel, to be able to react to the unusual combustion process.
Once McHonda gets pre-chamber ignition they should be good to go.

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Old Oct 11, 2016 | 05:05 AM
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who would have thought premature ignition would be useful?

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McLaren Rising ? 2016 & The McLaren-Honda Project | Mobil 1 The Grid

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it's the same concept but taken to an extreme with special fuels and fancy ignitors

When Honda Gave GM One Of History's Most Amazing Smackdowns

despite this, fuel injection and catalyzers won out because I think you still need a catalyzer for certain emissions components that CVCC doesn't reduce sufficiently. With ECUs controlling valve timing, ignition, fuel, you can do quite a lot without needing CVCC trickery in the combustion chamber to stratify the charge.
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The pre-chamber ignition, how similar to the CVCC concept is that? *At its most basic level.
CVCCs in F1? - VTEC Academy

Similar in concept
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Really good read for everyone, even if you're not a McLaren fan
McLaren Rising ? 2016 & The McLaren-Honda Project | Mobil 1 The Grid



I'm sure you engineerds knew this, but pretty interesting. The commentators have noted how much rake the Red Bull runs in comparison to the other cars, and of course more rake = more downforce.





Once McHonda gets pre-chamber ignition they should be good to go.
Two things to add about the Red Bull/McHonda rake. By jacking the *** up in the air, they're effectively increasing the diffusor's volume (bigger expansion = moar downforce potential. Think double diffusor.). The problem with doing this is the diffusor "leaks" air out of the side. And that's not good.

Solution? They seal the floor around the diffusor with a vortex! How? The front wing.

Como?

You recall the neutral section on the front wing? They call is the Y250 plane (Y-axis, 250mm wide?). Anyways they create some gnarly vortices just off of that section with the cascade elements. I'd post pictures but I'm too lazy. Anyway they send those power vortices back to the floor and seal it. POOF! A high volume diffusor exists!
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You recall the neutral section on the front wing? They call is the Y250 plane (Y-axis, 250mm wide?). Anyways they create some gnarly vortices just off of that section with the cascade elements. I'd post pictures but I'm too lazy. Anyway they send those power vortices back to the floor and seal it. POOF! A high volume diffusor exists!
You so smart

Analysis: How 'rake' helps make Red Bull Singapore GP favourite

How rake returned

Scalabroni suggests that this begins with a key aero structure 250mm from the car's centreline, where the neutral section of the front wing terminates and the flapped section begins.This surface juncture creates pressure gradients that collide, creating a highly energetic vortex (Y250) that's directed down the car, past various other aerodynamic devices that control its direction and vorticity.This helps to understand how the RB12 is such a phenomenal car through the corners, with downforce aplenty. But it doesn't explain how the team are getting the best from the car on the straights given their power unit deficit to the other teams at circuits they'd ordinarily struggle. This is where Enrique proposes that the team have elected to run with a more softly sprung rear end than is normally the case.Ordinarily, he said, a team would use around 1500lsprings to maintain aero stability, whilst he'd argue that the RB12 is using around 600lb.

This means that it can achieve the optimum rake through the corners but once on a straight, the downforce being generated continues to pull the rear of the car down toward the ground, changing the car's attitude and, with it, the loaded wing elements. This reduces the downforce and drag it generate, boosting top speed.
Old Oct 11, 2016 | 06:17 AM
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Too be fair, the high rake concept has been ran by the Bulls for quite some time now. Hell even when they had flexi tea-tray's, they cited the (rather extreme) rake in their car as the reason why the tray scraped so much. That's back to 2010-2011 I'm pretty sure.
Old Oct 11, 2016 | 06:46 AM
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So how did McHonda do so much worse at Suzuka than Malaysia...tracks don't seem THAT different.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/bu...rprise-836101/


"You always hope for a lot, because it's Honda's home grand prix - but it's not a good circuit for us," Button said."It's got some long straights, got a lot of mid-high-speed corners without braking - heavy braking - which is a weakness of ours."We're very strong with heavy braking corners and low-speed corners, but not in the corners when you're not braking heavily. Floor not close to the ground, it doesn't work as well.
So what does this mean?

Edit, NVM (good article below )
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/te...tinues-837494/
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Entire McLaren piece is basically what we were all just talking about

McLaren and Honda have made huge strides this season but they'll have known ahead of time that the Japanese GP, the engine manufacturer's home race, was going to be a difficult weekend for the team.

The MP4-31 is conceptually very similar to the current and previous Red Bull cars, such is Peter Prodromou's influence on the aerodynamic direction it is taking.

This is by no means a bad thing, with the RB12 still identified as one of the strongest chassis' in the field.

However, Suzuka's marriage of mid-high speed corners and heavy braking zones did not bode well for the way in which the RA616H makes and uses its power, putting their aero philosophy out of kilter too.

Jenson Button even made reference to it in an interview: "We're very strong with heavy braking corners and low-speed corners, but not in the corners when you're not braking heavily. Floor not close to the ground, it doesn't work as well."

The McLaren driver clearly alluded to the steep rake angle that the MP4-31 is run at and the way in which the car makes downforce from the front wing to the elevated diffuser.

Characteristically then, the circuit just didn't suit the team, but whilst the result will be difficult to swallow, it didn't stop it looking forward.


McLaren has consistently altered its front wing throughout the season as it's gone in search of extra performance, and whilst this iteration of the wing has been in play since Singapore, its complexity is worth our focus nonetheless.

One of the main areas of focus has been the flap tips, which now have slots placed halfway up their surface to double up the number of tips that can influence the air (arrows).

Each tip will shed a vortex, which is being used to control the shape of the main Y250 vortex that is created from the mainplane below. Initially these slots were just applied to the blunt edges of the flap, (see above) and then the changes were made in the inset. However, more recently this concept has evolved, with the slots following the a revised curvature of the flap.

You'll also note how the footplate inside the endplate has been increased in width (depicted by the blue line), changing the way in which airflow moves under the mainplane through the arc and then spills out around the front tyre.

You'll note that unlike the rest of the grid, who seem to instantly direct their arched or tunnel section outward, the new McLaren concept sees them direct the first few flaps of the arched section inward, before it funnels outward.

Seeing as most teams now seem to have at least one hand on their 2017 design philosophies, it makes you wonder if this is McLaren looking to get ahead of that curve and understand a concept it would like to carry over whilst also taking advantage of any performance benefits it can bring them this season.
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HAM was faster than ROS in clean air but might have been in different engine mode to secure podium
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Ros wont even have to push anymore to win the title, so he can run very conservatively and let Ham ham.
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Yeah no way HAM can win it all now without a little help from the man upstairs.
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Four more races. I sorta want HAM to win it just to see how Brit would handle it.
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Four more races. I sorta want HAM to win it just to see how Brit would handle it.
We've already seen that the past 2 years. Ham needs to lose to shake him up a bit so he can go to Ferrari and go bananas
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We've already seen that the past 2 years. Ham needs to lose to shake him up a bit so he can go to Ferrari and go bananas
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We've already seen that the past 2 years. Ham needs to lose to shake him up a bit so he can go to Ferrari and go bananas
There's no way he would go there. He could never handle the Italian press harping on him.
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$45mil/yr wood probably do it.
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Isn't he already making 30-40M?

Go to a worse team, with more pressure for an amount of money that probably wouldn't have a noticeable impact on quality of life?
Yes, if he loses faith in Merc, why would he stay? Similar to when Montoya lost his **** over his perceived preferential treatment of Ralf at Williams.
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Isn't he already making 30-40M?

Go to a worse team, with more pressure for an amount of money that probably wouldn't have a noticeable impact on quality of life?
He's not a billionaire.... $45mil/yr is a huge amount of money. If he fell out with Merc and Ferrari wants to cut the checks, he'll go. And probably for less money.



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