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Old Jul 28, 2016 | 03:28 PM
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what's the problem with that? do you feel bad that he's wasting his time, or building a deathtrap that might kill people?

i know it is hard to turn off the enginerdiness but sometimes you gotta just look away
The latter mostly, but the former is also there. You just know that he hasn't done the required work to make it safe, nor has he done the required work to make the design adjustable when needed. It's just an inevitable failure.



Old Jul 28, 2016 | 03:51 PM
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you mean like the guy that asked me to help him design server racks for his data center and when i detailed the engineering effort and cost he just went and bought sheets of plastic and started zip-tieing motherboards to them?

or the guy here on HT that wanted me to design an ECU for him, i owed him a favor, so i wrote up a detailed engineering spec for it outlining the design requirements, bill of materials, effort and cost and that was the last i heard of it. you think you can bang out an AEM EMS in a weekend?

i got invited to lunch with a former coworker today, turns out he wants me to come to his startup and fix his product that doesn't work. he offered to buy me lunch for the trouble. ummm
Old Jul 28, 2016 | 03:57 PM
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Actually, only problem I really have with being an engineer (mechanical in my case) is being "friends" on FB with all of the kids I grew up with who now own these dinky car shops and are trying to "develop" things.

One guy in particular is working on a bolt in AWD kit for civic/integra, and just posted a picture of his first load of parts that he just got in. Bunch of 1/8" flat plates that are supposed to hold an entire subframe together. I cringed.
Oh god, this is very true. I've come to learn that the automotive aftermarket is largely full of hack jobs and only a handful of them actually do any real engineering.

They only get away with it because most of the US aftermarket is focused on drag racing where products only need to last minutes.
Old Jul 28, 2016 | 03:57 PM
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takata airbags doe
Old Jul 28, 2016 | 04:19 PM
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Old Jul 28, 2016 | 04:22 PM
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Actually, only problem I really have with being an engineer (mechanical in my case) is being "friends" on FB with all of the kids I grew up with who now own these dinky car shops and are trying to "develop" things.

One guy in particular is working on a bolt in AWD kit for civic/integra, and just posted a picture of his first load of parts that he just got in. Bunch of 1/8" flat plates that are supposed to hold an entire subframe together. I cringed.
I build 20ft long roofs out of 3.2mm sheet for trains...the structure and everything is all 3.2mm...
Old Jul 28, 2016 | 04:59 PM
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I build 20ft long roofs out of 3.2mm sheet for trains...the structure and everything is all 3.2mm...
What material?

Are you suggesting the loads on the roof of a train are the same as the rear-subframe of a compact car?
Old Jul 28, 2016 | 05:02 PM
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A606 cor-ten I believe.

All I'm saying is that it's all 1/8" sheet metal. The frame, the ribs that make up the skeleton, etc.

It essentially has to hold the weight of itself which is about 2600lbs iirc.

On top of that there is a lot of stuff that is bolted to the roof and inside of it after we are done with it.

So a subframe that would hold maybe 200 pounds of parts would probably be ok being built out of 1/8" sheet as long as it's engineered well.
Old Jul 28, 2016 | 06:05 PM
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as long as it's engineered well.
Welcome to the point, mang.
Old Jul 28, 2016 | 06:18 PM
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Welcome to the point, mang.
When in doubt, add another gusset!
Old Jul 28, 2016 | 08:55 PM
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“But there are also claims that Marchionne could not cope with Allison, because the Briton spoke his mind and refused to be dictated unreasonable targets in contrast to his (Allison’s) 25 years of motor sport experience,” he added.
Old Jul 29, 2016 | 05:21 AM
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Alonso leaving is looking like a better and better idea by the day.
Old Jul 29, 2016 | 05:26 AM
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Except for the fact that the Ferrari is still lightyears ahead of the McLaren.
Old Jul 29, 2016 | 05:27 AM
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Except for the fact that the Ferrari is still lightyears ahead of the McLaren.
McLaren: Our chassis is now as good as Ferrari
Old Jul 29, 2016 | 05:34 AM
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let me guess - Eric Boullier said this...



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Originally Posted by 7-27-16
“We believe our chassis is in the top three – let's say fighting withFerrari for the third spot,” he told Motorsport.com.
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Boullier clearly believes that his team has the 3rd-best chassis in all of F1 - a position he also felt strongly about last season.

"Last year we were third, but close with Williams and Ferrari. Now it is Mercedes, Red Bull, ourselves, then Ferrari, Toro Rosso and Williams. They are clearly behind now."

So the chassis has gotten worse?
Old Jul 29, 2016 | 05:39 AM
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McLaren are the paper champs
Old Jul 29, 2016 | 05:43 AM
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Alonso will always be Ferrari FP2 champ
Old Jul 29, 2016 | 05:44 AM
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Formula 1 qualifying sessions will be red flagged from now on if a situation arises where double-waved yellows are required.

During the closing moments of qualifying in Hungary last weekend, controversy surrounded Nico Rosberg setting the pole position time going through a yellow flag zone, but this move means the session would have been stopped as soon as Fernando Alonso had spun.

The decision has been made to avoid debates about how much drivers should or shouldn't slow down under yellow flags and ensure an absolute enforcement of the rule.

"The procedure now would be to simply red flag it every time there is a double-waved yellow flag," said Whiting of what happened in Hungary.

"It [red flagging the session] will be done routinely if there is a double-waved yellow flag.

"It just removes the discussion about how much is 'slowing down'.
Old Jul 29, 2016 | 05:52 AM
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Why a red flag? Why not a VSC?

They should at least add enough time for another outlap if a session gets red flagged so it doesn't kill the session.
Old Jul 29, 2016 | 07:38 AM
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BUT is in hospital with eye irritation after practice
Old Jul 29, 2016 | 07:42 AM
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he's been released after removing foreign object
Old Jul 29, 2016 | 08:03 AM
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Danes are reporting both KMag and Joyloff both out for 2017.
Old Jul 29, 2016 | 08:13 AM
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renault has been irrelevant this year.
Old Jul 29, 2016 | 09:05 AM
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I think Sergio is in play for a drive. A risk considering FI's and Renault's current pace, but in the long run I think the works drive is the way to go.



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