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Old Jun 29, 2016 | 08:24 PM
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Doubt it will look better than RB's solution. That Halo is ugly as hell!
Old Jun 29, 2016 | 08:50 PM
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Another thing Frank Dernie suggested was to remove fly-by-wire throttles. Gone are the days of the DFV where a crack of the butterflies gave a huge surge in power. Now if you want 13% power, you get 13% power. A bit easier than having to chase the car cause ALL THE POWERS are about.

So i vote 1500 hp and snappy throttles plz.
What do you think about carbon brakes vs steel?

I know it would increase braking distance but I imagine it would also make braking moar difficult. Question is would it improve anything? I hear/read claims of going back to steel but I'm not sure it would do a lot. We agree that passing by itself is not necessary for an exciting race.

I agree about the throttle
Old Jun 29, 2016 | 09:14 PM
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Need skateboard tires for it to make a difference under braking. Steel brakes would stop about the same, just need more cooling. Brake torque wood also be roughly equivalent between the two.

But the stickies are constant, and thats what really controls braking length me thinks.
Old Jun 29, 2016 | 09:34 PM
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Need skateboard tires for it to make a difference under braking. Steel brakes would stop about the same, just need more cooling. Brake torque wood also be roughly equivalent between the two.

But the stickies are constant, and thats what really controls braking length me thinks.
Carbon Vs. Steel Brakes: Nicky Hayden Explains The Differences | MotoAmerica

“When you first grab them,” Hayden said, “steel brakes are quite aggressive. The first bit of stopping is very strong—sometimes even stronger than carbon. But as you really get into deep, hard braking, that’s where carbon makes the difference.”

Lever “release” is another advantage. “Carbon brakes have more feel,” Hayden said. “You can modulate them more easily. At the end of the braking zone, steel is a bit more on/off.”

On the flipside, carbon-carbon won’t work without heat. In 1992, at the urging of engineer Erv Kanemoto, former 500cc World Champion Wayne Gardner ran a carbon/steel “cocktail.” A similar combination was tried in mixed weather conditions in MotoGP as recently as two years ago.

“Carbon really needs warm-up,” Hayden said, “depending on the track, conditions, and size of the discs. Normally you can drag the brakes to the end of pit road and get 90 percent of the heat in the discs.”

“The only place I really noticed a difference [between carbon and steel] is turn two at Jerez," (they were testing the steel/carbon brakes at Jerez)Hayden said. "In that corner, if you brake a quarter of a bike length too deep you literally can’t stop. When you need that last bit of braking power, carbon definitely stops quicker.”

Opposite scenario? “If you put steel brakes on MotoGP bikes, like we use in the rain, the stopping distances would be longer,” he said. “That could make for better racing.”
Is bikes but wouldn't cars be much the same?
Old Jun 29, 2016 | 09:38 PM
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Old lady got my number. Said I always have a place to stay in New Hampshire. Hubby forced $20 into my hand because I refused it. He then said to give it to my church or a charity.

They say "car" like "kah" such that car keys sounds the same as khakis.

Currently getting gas at Beaver, UT across from a restaurant called "Beaver Taco" I **** you not.
Old Jun 30, 2016 | 12:33 AM
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Lightning show entering Nevada.
Old Jun 30, 2016 | 04:30 AM
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Another thing Frank Dernie suggested was to remove fly-by-wire throttles. Gone are the days of the DFV where a crack of the butterflies gave a huge surge in power. Now if you want 13% power, you get 13% power. A bit easier than having to chase the car cause ALL THE POWERS are about.

So i vote 1500 hp and snappy throttles plz.
so basically go back in time make the cars less drivable by undoing technical progress. mmmk
Old Jun 30, 2016 | 04:41 AM
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so basically go back in time make the cars less drivable by undoing technical progress. mmmk
Do F1 cars have traction control or ABS?
Old Jun 30, 2016 | 05:00 AM
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Do F1 cars have traction control or ABS?
They are not allowed. Doesn't mean someone couldn't figure out a way to use de-rating as a way to minimize wheel spin
Old Jun 30, 2016 | 05:01 AM
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They are not allowed. Doesn't mean someone couldn't figure out a way to use de-rating as a way to minimize wheel spin
I know that. I was just pointing out that it wouldn't be the first time that F1 cars had technological progress undone.

My Jetta has more driving aids than an F1 car.
Old Jun 30, 2016 | 05:02 AM
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so basically go back in time make the cars less drivable by undoing technical progress. mmmk
Seems I'm not the only 1 who likes the 80s turbo era cars. Lots of good races on youtube from that era
Old Jun 30, 2016 | 05:04 AM
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I know that. I was just pointing out that it wouldn't be the first time that F1 cars had technological progress undone.

My Jetta has more driving aids than an F1 car.
I figured but I wanted to add the de-rating trickery mention because I think it is being done. There have been times I swear I have seen the de-rating light on certain cars exiting a turn. I need to watch for it moar.
Old Jun 30, 2016 | 05:06 AM
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DBW throttle is that trickle down tech sonnnnn

Mercedes gon' pull out of the sport if you take that away.
And RB gon' pull out of the sport if you mess wit dat prize monies

Horner: Top F1 teams won't accept less prize money

Red Bull boss Christian Horner says top teams are unlikely to accept any future change to Formula 1's payment structure that will result in them losing income.

F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone revealed last week that he is considering a revamp of the prize money system that could mean leading teams like Red Bull, Ferrari and Mercedes lose bonus payments they get for their historic contribution to and previous success in grand prix racing.

But Horner says that the best way for smaller teams to get more income is through F1's commercial chiefs securing more revenue for all teams – rather than taking it away from the big outfits.

“It’s like with all these things, you’ve got to be comfortable with the amount of money you are receiving,” he explained.

“If the money goes up for everybody that’s less of an issue than if the money has to go down to some of the teams.

“So if more revenue can be brought into the sport, it’s for the promoter to decide how the revenue is divided.

"But of course all the teams will have an issue if their revenues drop.”
Old Jun 30, 2016 | 05:16 AM
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And RB gon' pull out of the sport if you mess wit dat prize monies

Horner: Top F1 teams won't accept less prize money
Ferrari gonna build an Indycar again.

Outrun is excited.
Old Jun 30, 2016 | 06:14 AM
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Great news!

Marko says Red Bull not looking to hire Mick Jr

Mick Schumacher not on radar says Marko

Dr Helmut Marko says he is not currently interested in signing up Mick Schumacher to Red Bull's famous driver development programme.

At the same age of 17, Red Bull fast-tracked the meteoric F1 career of Max Verstappen.

But when asked about Schumacher, the young Formula 4-racing son of F1 legend Michael Schumacher, Marko said: "Mick Schumacher is not on our radar.

"There is nothing more to say," the Austrian, who is the architect of the Red Bull driver programme, added.

For his part, Mick seems comfortable about racing the road to F1 in meticulous style, having already decided to spend a second year in F4 rather than leap into F3 in 2016.

"For the moment, my goal is to become a good and complete race driver," said the German.

"Because of this, it's important to me to have a solid base and to become confident in all areas racing will be confronting me with," Schumacher added.
Mick doesn't need your fizzy drinks moniez.

So I wonder - will Merc try to sign him or perhaps Ferrari? I can't see Ron going after him... At least he better not or I will rage. Perhaps Ross Brawn will manage the future Weldmeister.
Old Jun 30, 2016 | 06:18 AM
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so basically go back in time make the cars less drivable by undoing technical progress. mmmk
Less drivable is a better goal than DRS IMO.

I don't care how it's achieved. But I doubt having all of the electric trickery is going to make them harder to drive. Honestly I don't think 1500 hp with the cars today would be all that difficult for the boys to handle. Gone are the 80s and their light switch throttles. And then with the ERS torque fill, lag just wouldn't be a problem like it was before.
Old Jun 30, 2016 | 06:58 AM
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Outrun did they say where they were from in New Hampshaaaaaa?
Something like that haha.
Old Jun 30, 2016 | 07:06 AM
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Did you tell them you were Outrun from the Internet?
Old Jun 30, 2016 | 07:18 AM
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Less drivable is a better goal than DRS IMO.

I don't care how it's achieved. But I doubt having all of the electric trickery is going to make them harder to drive. Honestly I don't think 1500 hp with the cars today would be all that difficult for the boys to handle. Gone are the 80s and their light switch throttles. And then with the ERS torque fill, lag just wouldn't be a problem like it was before.
maybe we can all just accept that automobile racing is a 20th century sport and will be irrelevant moving forward as humans get replaced by hardware and software algorithms that can do a better job? so yeah we can ban technology and just make it interesting racing. sure.
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Or make it Bracket F1. Manor starts first and Mercedes starts 2 minutes later.
Old Jun 30, 2016 | 07:28 AM
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i'd watch that
Old Jun 30, 2016 | 07:29 AM
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i'd also love to watch the current drivers in a field of identical Lotus 49's with a simple active front/rear wing and modern crash/safety structures
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my ADS-B receiver was picking up a Mode S Transponder reporting at 58,000 feet and no squawk code.

hmmm

militurry

edit - still climbing

edit - **** it's a high-altitude balloon

edit3 - i wonder if it's a 1158 radiosonde
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i'd also love to watch the current drivers in a field of identical Lotus 49's with a simple active front/rear wing and modern crash/safety structures
This is as close as you'll get to seeing current F1 drivers in equal machines




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^^^ LOLWUT



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