hungrygreen_gsr

Should just have a tire that the drivers can beat on. No matter who the supplier is.

1158

Agreed

falcongsr

movable aerodynamic device

falcongsr

well it only took a year and you people are finally on the less aero train

i guess it took someone like Alain Prost to say it even though i've been saying it like a champion since forever

hungrygreen_gsr

Wasn't it you that suggested to go back to the large tunnels under the car and change up to simple small wings? Sprinkle in some fat *** tires and more mech grip and everyone will be happy, right?

Tim2179

iTrader: (2)

I thought we had agreed on this for years and thus welcomed the change in regs for 2009 when we all complained the front wing looked goofy.

falcongsr

nope i am against diffuser aero - that was whoever i was arguing with

i want simple, active wings with ample room for sponsors.

Tim2179

iTrader: (2)

falcon says simple wings

falcongsr

p close

don't forget flip flop

1158

Large diffuser aero (like the ground effect car days) can cause the same following issues that wings cause. Relying to much on air no matter how it is done will inevitably cause the wake to have less disturbed air.

falcongsr

not touching that one.

1158

As long as the wings/struts don't fail

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1158

I will see if I can find paper I read on the subject. It was discussed on F1T and I was skeptical but paper was p convincing.

Will have to wait til later - all you can eat wings calling my name

...esteban

das me.

After listening to Frank Dernie speak* on the subject, I'm a bit more like falcong sr these days. mini-ish wings and flat bottom.

*I'll dig up the convo if you want to know what he thinks.

...esteban

According to P Lowe, the tunnel cars are actually worse than the winged cars for following. Why? Coz of how quickly the air wants to refill the void of the car. He says (coz science) that the wake behind a tunnel car isn't "charged" enough and thus has a messy wake for longer. So the following cars aero surfaces deal with shittier air further back. Paraphrasing, but thats the gizzt of it.

...esteban

...esteban

cliffs: we doomed, but the cars won't be fugly no mo.

1158

Thanks for that and the post below it.

WHERE MY WINGS AT DAMN IT!

...esteban

long and wide doesn't appear to be a step in the right direction doe. Not that i care. I think they'll look better, and that matters to meeeeeee.

1158

It'll b better than it has been. The engine regs being moar open will help and the cars will look better. Prob the best we could have hoped for.

Outrun

There's some lightning and storm clouds near Cisco, UT. Talk to me turkey.

falcongsr

cliffs: we don't want the rear car to get a tow so we throw air at it and the air is still dirty enough to prevent close following in corners.

1158

There is a large cluster of storms southwest of you and a few to the northwest. The ones to the northwest are closer. Nothing on radar in your immediate area is strong.

Greyout

Does outrun use a flipphone that doesn't have a connection to the internet?

Outrun: "I see storms over there, whats going on"
1158: "It's stormy in the areas you described"
Outrun: "Oh"

njn63

Less aero will likely result in slower cars though. There are plenty of slower series that have a lot of mechanical grip and are still boring as **** to watch.

I saw lets leave the aero/grip levels where they are and just give the cars 1500hp. Let the driver's ability to put the power down be the deciding factor.
Modern wings can fail too when things are not manufactured or designed correctly: